Restriction of Non-Eu players?

[Super_horns]

This is another idea from Greg Dyke aimed at getting more home grown youngsters into the 1st teams.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32024808

Would this really solve the problem though?

5live said such a ban would have only affected 8 players (out of 24 players requiring a work permit) over the past 4 years as South Americans can get European passports (Brazil-Portugal and Argentina-Spain/Italy) etc

 

[Alty]

A - It would make no difference, as demonstrated above

B - Perfect example of how we don't govern our own country. "We want more English talent to get a chance, so we're limiting the number of foreigners clubs can have in their squads....unless said foreigners come from one of the 27 countries closest to us, in which case we have no power to stop them"

Dyke has been a terrible appointment as FA Chairman. He's barely come out with a good idea yet. This will do nothing. The B teams idea is scandalous. He's all in favour of video technology which will ruin the game.

Shite.

 

[Mustard]

He's just avoiding the real issue, which is that grass roots level football in this country is a million miles behind the likes of Germany and the Netherlands.

 

[Alty]

He's just avoiding the real issue, which is that grass roots level football in this country is a million miles behind the likes of Germany and the Netherlands.

Indeed.

TBF I was overly harsh as he has stated a vague belief that we need more 3G pitches and qualified coaches. Not sure whether he's actually committed any resources though.

 

[Madejski]

Not sure how the Non-EU suggestion has been the main one to hit the headlines, considering as you say it has a very small impact.

The proposed home grown rules are exactly what is needed though. I hope that gets a good amount of attention.

 

[ForeverUnited]

Don't have any time for Dyke, I don't feel this would solve anything.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Focus from the FA always appears to be on the wrong thing. Disappointing but unsurprising. Dyke doesn't half talk some rot.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

The problem is the idea is correct, but the FA has no balls to bully the premier league.

The FA is fine to bully the lower leagues, hense this B Team crap which is frankly not going to help England but will help the top flight and I personally attack the B team idea because when it coms to the other areas....foreign owners, foreign managers, foreign players, no grass root money from the top flight etc, etc all these other links that work for the England team nothing will be pushed

what is the point giving reserve side players competitive games when A: top flight sides won't play them anyway and B: when they do and it works the prem sides still rather the England part is secondary anyway (eg: Kane and his resting in summer = tour of asia probably)

should just accept now the England set-up we have and go in as plucky underdogs.

 

[thespus]

The idea isn't correct. It's the coward's way of refusing to recognize the failure of grassroots player development. When these young English players hypothetically come through, why should they play in an inferior league which prevents clubs from bringing in the elite players in this world? Playing with and against top class opposition brings the best out of world class footballers.

 

[G.B]

The main problem with English football is it's run by non-football men, chancers looking out for themselves and not the game itself. Posh lads with spur of the moment ideas who haven't the fucking faintest truth be told. Too busy wanking over their 39th game to give a fuck about the real issues affecting football from the bottom up. That twazock is a media man, football isn't his bread and butter and never has been. Yet he's head of the F.A. FFS.

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

Dyke has the right intentions, and I feel he genuinely cares about the future of English football, but his ideas simply won't work if the grounding isn't there in the first place.

All buildings are firstly started on solid foundations. There is no good building a luxury five star hotel on one of the cliffs at Scarborough where the speed of erosion is astonishing. In the same way that putting limits on foreign players won't do anything if the facilities in schools and such like aren't up to scratch.

 

[G.B]

Are we Germany yet? Someone wake me up when we are.

 

[mente captus]

as i said in a other thread, i am against quotas it helps only bad players to get some action they never should have to.

we have no quotas over here, you could have here a squad of 99 chinese/brazilian/nigerian/australian players and no regulations on the pitch

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I think people should read all of the changes that are proposed before talking about how he's ignoring the real issue™ or that the changes will make little difference. This is one small part of the changes that were announced and it's odd that the BBC would single it out for an entire article with only a cursory reference to the change in homegrown rules that will make a massive difference, to the point that some fans might even oppose them.

we have no quotas over here,

Yes, but you're also peasants compared to the wealth of the Premier League. Young players get a chance in Germany in part because you're simply producing better players, but also in part because your clubs simply can't afford to go out and buy a ready-made superior player with their pocket change.

 

[mente captus]

peasants compared of the wealth of the premier league? lol. the bundesliga made 400 millions profit last year and our turnover is not so far away from the premier league (2.6 bn vs 3.3 bn and we have two clubs less) Soton and swansea are the only clubs which wouldnt be already liquidated if they would take part in the bundesliga

furthermore i dont think Munich has produced Lahm, Müller, Schweinsteiger, Alaba and Badstuber because they were short of money and we had in the past 4 years 5 semi-finalists in the champions league (three different clubs), the premier league had two in the same period of time with his 'ready-made superior players'

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

peasants compared of the wealth of the premier league? lol. the bundesliga made 400 millions profit last year and our turnover is not so far away from the premier league (2.6 bn vs 3.3 bn and we have two clubs less) [...]

You don't think that 2.6 billion is far away from 3.3 billion? I would say that's a pretty massive difference, one that is about to get significantly larger. You also have to consider the different rules that are enforced upon German clubs compared to English ones, as you alluded to with Swansea and Southampton. The spending in the Premier League is ridiculous.

furthermore i dont think Munich has produced Lahm, Müller, Schweinsteiger, Alaba and Badstuber because they were short of money

Neither do I. I did say pretty clearly that you're also producing higher quality youngsters.

and we had in the past 4 years 5 semi-finalists in the champions league (three different clubs), the premier league had two in the same period of time with his 'ready-made superior players'

Because the standard of coaching and the general style of football in Germany is well ahead of what is found in England, not because the league is full of superior players, but probably for the very season that it isn't. I think one of the main reasons English clubs have fallen so far behind is because they always feel they can buy their way out of danger. They've never had to revolutionize their coaching methods or academies because they're never had to rely on them, they can just throw money at a ready-made replacement. Hell, just look at the wage bill in the EPL compared to everyone else:

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

 

[St Nick]

What do you mean by "breakthrough season" and if a player plays half his club's games in the season after his breakthrough season, why shouldn't he count as an academy graduate who has become a first team regular?

 

[Jarv]

What do you mean by "breakthrough season" and if a player plays half his club's games in the season after his breakthrough season, why shouldn't he count as an academy graduate who has become a first team regular?

Indeed what if a player makes his breakthrough with 10 games left and plays in 7 of the remaining 10 games, does that count?

Also German clubs, or we'll 2 of them for the most part have been doing really well in the last few years similarly to how well English clubs were doing in the late 00's. Football goes in Cycles

 

[mente captus]

You don't think that 2.6 billion is far away from 3.3 billion? I would say that's a pretty massive difference, one that is about to get significantly larger. You also have to consider the different rules that are enforced upon German clubs compared to English ones, as you alluded to with Swansea and Southampton. The spending in the Premier League is ridiculous.

i still believe the difference is not that high as it only depends on the difference of the tv-deals ( domestic league and champions league)

what a big problem is for me, that the english clubs are heavily dependent on tv money while the most german clubs could survive without, domestic tv money makes only 5% of the income of Munich, for Schalke it is 10%

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Football goes in Cycles

Yeah, but not by magic. It goes in cycles because countries rest on their laurels and fall behind, so have to innovate. Then they come to the fore, and someone else falls behind, and so on.

 

[Stevencc]