The 2018/19 Ex-FL clubs League FINAL TABLE

[Vanni]

Forget that brotherhood crap, it's all a farce anyway, this is the one that truly matters. If your club was once a proud member of the FL then you're perfectly entitled to take part in this prestigious competition.

1. Leyton Orient 10 7 1 28 14 37
2. Wrexham 8 5 5 15 13 29
3. Halifax 6 8 4 21 16 26
4. Barnet 7 4 7 18 19 25
5. Chesterfield 6 6 6 22 16 24
6. Barrow 6 6 6 17 18 24
7. Hartlepool 5 8 5 16 17 23
8. Maidstone 6 3 9 15 26 21
9. Dag & Red 4 4 10 17 22 16
10. Aldershot 3 7 8 12 20 16

 

[B2TF]

I approve. To be fair, we had nothing much to beat.

 

[Raymondo316]

Im shocked we didn't finish bottom.

 

[BeeArmy]

Im shocked we didn't finish bottom.

We gave you two of those wins!

 

[Master D]

Na.

 

[GEORGE]

What about Gateshead -- They were also in the league.

 

[East Bank Shot]

Only 3 wins in 18 against our fellow brothers. I think we win the sportsmanship award for allowing you lot to pick up valuable points in the fight against Evil.

 

[E10rifle]

What is this shit?

 

[Farleigh]

Boring. If you're in this league, you're not good enough for the Football League. Everyone is here on merit.

 

[Tin Roofs & Stone Steps]

There are some really strange things that happen on this forum.

 

[Master D]

There are some really strange things that happen on this forum.

That's Vanni for you. Bizarre individual.

 

[HarryH]

What about Gateshead -- They were also in the league.

Different club(s), both of whom moved from South Shields before disappearing into thin air. The current club, in the final death throes, started in the Northern premier in the 1970s.

 

[chipmunx]

Forget that brotherhood crap, it's all a farce anyway, this is the one that truly matters. If your club was once a proud member of the FL then you're perfectly entitled to take part in this prestigious competition.

1. Leyton Orient 10 7 1 28 14 37
2. Wrexham 8 5 5 15 13 29
3. Halifax 6 8 4 21 16 26
4. Barnet 7 4 7 18 19 25
5. Chesterfield 6 6 6 22 16 24
6. Barrow 6 6 6 17 18 24
7. Hartlepool 5 8 5 16 17 23
8. Maidstone 6 3 9 15 26 21
9. Dag & Red 4 4 10 17 22 16
10. Aldershot 3 7 8 12 20 16

so basically Maidstone finished bottom not by doing badly against Ex-league clubs - but by only getting 13 points in 28 games against the so called tinpot teams - and that despite having half those matches on their plastic pitch....

 

[Tin Roofs & Stone Steps]

The plastic pitch argument is pointless!!
As national League teams we collectively sigh at horror shows that threaten clubs like that going on at Gateshead and Ebbsfleet.
But a plastic pitch which can help a club against those problems are despised.

Away from that side of things, yes the bounce is different but it’s a better surface to pass on than Halifax’s quagmire for example.
Orient came to us and for 45 mins played us off the park. Barrow used it beautifully, passed it brilliantly all day and if not for a lack of finishing would have been out of sight.
Players that are good enough and teams that control a game with passing don’t struggle.

Going into the academy set ups, compared to the pitches around here which are lumpy, at times uncut and thats if they even have grass instead of mud.
Surely to minimise the costs of pitch maintenance, allowing to invest and have a large academy is better than having a grass pitch?
Our youth teams are head and shoulders above in terms of passing against a lot of teams we play. Games aren’t called off for a little drop of rain and it’s helping grow the club by producing our own players.

Ideally a carpet like grass surface is the best option but given all that above, surely a plastic pitch is better than the alternatives?

 

[chipmunx]

The plastic pitch argument is pointless!!
As national League teams we collectively sigh at horror shows that threaten clubs like that going on at Gateshead and Ebbsfleet.
But a plastic pitch which can help a club against those problems are despised.

Away from that side of things, yes the bounce is different but it’s a better surface to pass on than Halifax’s quagmire for example.
Orient came to us and for 45 mins played us off the park. Barrow used it beautifully, passed it brilliantly all day and if not for a lack of finishing would have been out of sight.
Players that are good enough and teams that control a game with passing don’t struggle.

Going into the academy set ups, compared to the pitches around here which are lumpy, at times uncut and thats if they have even have grass.
Surely to minimise the costs of pitch maintenance allowing to invest and have a large academy is better than having a grass pitch?
Our youth teams are head and shoulders above in terms of passing against a lot of teams we play. Games aren’t called off for a little drop of rain and it’s helping grow the club by producing our own players.

Ideally a carpet like grass surface is ideal but given all that above, surely a plastic pitch is better than the alternatives?

true, i just meant it should have given you an advantage at home.

 

[Fedora Dale]

Different club(s), both of whom moved from South Shields before disappearing into thin air. The current club, in the final death throes, started in the Northern premier in the 1970s.

Fair enough; but didn't Maidstone, Aldershot and Halifax all go pop and reform lower down the pyramid in the same way??

 

[HarryH]

Fair enough; but didn't Maidstone, Aldershot and Halifax all go pop and reform lower down the pyramid in the same way??

I'm not sure there's as much remaining of the original league club in the current disaster as there was of the original in Trigger's famous old broom.

 

[Pliny Harris]

Playoffs against Wrexham for us then. What's our head-to-head? Four points to the Shaymen?—BOOM. Town are back in the #EFL92!

 

[Vanni]

That's Vanni for you. Bizarre individual.

Master D
Well known member
Location - Wrexham
Supports - THE NATURAL ORDER

 

[Jerry]

Fair enough; but didn't Maidstone, Aldershot and Halifax all go pop and reform lower down the pyramid in the same way??

Not the same situation though. I believe the current Gateshead club are a "phoenix" of Gateshead United who were originally formed as a South Shields club to replace the former one after it moved to Gateshead (this is the club that was in the League). So they are two distinct clubs which existed side by side for a time.

This is all from Wiki so maybe we need a Heed fan to confirm or correct.

 

[Tin Roofs & Stone Steps]

true, i just meant it should have given you an advantage at home.

Fair enough.
I don't think there is much in it.
As Maidstone showed.

 

[Vanni]

Some clubs do fold and are reformed (Shots, Maidstone, Halfax etc) and this debate has been done to death. IMO these clubs are merely a continuation of the old club. If my lot were to fold and a new club is formed I would see the same faces on the terraces and the players will still take to the pitch in amber and black kits. About the only thing that will be different will be the club's name.

MK Dons are the very definition of a new club. Everything about them is new - fan base, club colours, location and so on.

I haven't been following closely this year's AGM Cup so I don't know anything about Aldershot's chances of a reprieval?? All I know is that 4 clubs will deffo be joining the EFLC league next season. Or in other words, the EFL Division 3 in all but name

 

[Soup Ladle]

About the only thing that will be different will be the club's name.

So it's not the same club then?

 

[Vanni]

So it's not the same club then?

Same fans, same ground, same colours = same club. That's what I believe.

Here's a good example of what I mean. Back in the late 60's, Hartlepools United FC changed their name to Hartlepool FC. They may have dropped the letter 's' and the word 'united' from their name but they were still the same old club, no?

 

[Quakerz]

What about Gateshead -- They were also in the league.

Not in 1987 they weren't.

 

[Soup Ladle]

Same fans, same ground, same colours = same club. That's what I believe.

Here's a good example of what I mean. Back in the late 60's, Hartlepools United FC changed their name to Hartlepool FC. They may have dropped the letter 's' and the word 'united' from their name but they were still the same old club, no?

Yeah but in our case it was a slight name change, we didn't go bust and reform.

Last season we weren't far off being phoenixed out of this league and into the Evo Stik or somewhere. That for me wouldn't be the same club even though we'd still have the ground and play in blue and white. It would still represent the town and area but it wouldn't feel the same.

 

[Vanni]

Yeah but in our case it was a slight name change, we didn't go bust and reform.

Last season we weren't far off being phoenixed out of this league and into the Evo Stik or somewhere. That for me wouldn't be the same club even though we'd still have the ground and play in blue and white. It would still represent the town and area but it wouldn't feel the same.

I disagree but fair enough Soup. I can only hope you and I will never get the chance to learn what it will really feel like though

 

[B2TF]

The plastic pitch argument is pointless!!
As national League teams we collectively sigh at horror shows that threaten clubs like that going on at Gateshead and Ebbsfleet.
But a plastic pitch which can help a club against those problems are despised.

Away from that side of things, yes the bounce is different but it’s a better surface to pass on than Halifax’s quagmire for example.
Orient came to us and for 45 mins played us off the park. Barrow used it beautifully, passed it brilliantly all day and if not for a lack of finishing would have been out of sight.
Players that are good enough and teams that control a game with passing don’t struggle.

Going into the academy set ups, compared to the pitches around here which are lumpy, at times uncut and thats if they even have grass instead of mud.
Surely to minimise the costs of pitch maintenance, allowing to invest and have a large academy is better than having a grass pitch?
Our youth teams are head and shoulders above in terms of passing against a lot of teams we play. Games aren’t called off for a little drop of rain and it’s helping grow the club by producing our own players.

Ideally a carpet like grass surface is the best option but given all that above, surely a plastic pitch is better than the alternatives?

You're right about our pitch, but our first experience of plastic pitches was in the Unibond first division North. These were 3G pitches and the first thing you noticed, almost immediately, was that the ball bounced twice as high as expected. Shortly after that you noticed that when passed along the surface, the ball did not slow down, as it would on grass, but kept on rolling until something got in its way. We were far from impressed, despite the wins. We didn;t encounter them again until 2016 at Harrogate, who have a 4G one. I went there expecting to see much the same but to my surprise realised that after the first 2 minutes I had completely forgotten that it was an artificial pitch and the ball behaved just as it would on grass. I can see no good reason not to allow them in the Football League.