The BELEAGUERED Carlisle Utd Thread

[Carver]

The famous Fishy relegation calculator…

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Just did it all automatically and it had us finish bottom with 33 points with Tranmere second bottom on 36 points. Accrington 3rd bottom on 44 points with Morecambe above on 46 points.

Well I suppose we can head down there to come back up stronger, that's the hope now.

 

[Boz]

I tried the Fishy calculator, both predicting Rovers results and the fully automatic version. The TRFC figures were quite similar, 38 pts (me) 39 points (calculator) Both versions had Carlisle bottom 31/27 and Morecambe 22nd 46/42 and Accrington just above them 47/48

Looking very likely that Carlisle and Rovers will drop.

 

[Carver]

I tried the Fishy calculator, both predicting Rovers results and the fully automatic version. The TRFC figures were quite similar, 38 pts (me) 39 points (calculator) Both versions had Carlisle bottom 31/27 and Morecambe 22nd 46/42 and Accrington just above them 47/48

Looking very likely that Carlisle and Rovers will drop.

It's allright, I'm sure we'll both have some titanic battles down there against Braintree and Wealdstone.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

It's allright, I'm sure we'll both have some titanic battles down there against Braintree and Wealdstone.

We've been humiliated by both in the NL, and Wealdstone again this season with a 5-0 defeat at Braintree probably being the low point in the club's history.

 

[hellogregory]

We are horrendous.

We were terrible in the first 4 months of the season, yet somehow despite signing 12 new players in January, we’re now worse.

I don’t know how any fan can have any faith whatsoever in this team. It’s truly woeful.

All I want is to see some signs of progress from this team so we can take something down to the national league to give us hope. But there’s currently nothing.

 

[Dan Phillips]

We are horrendous.

We were terrible in the first 4 months of the season, yet somehow despite signing 12 new players in January, we’re now worse.

I don’t know how any fan can have any faith whatsoever in this team. It’s truly woeful.

All I want is to see some signs of progress from this team so we can take something down to the national league to give us hope. But there’s currently nothing.

I'd say back to back clean sheets is something to build on? I know it's frustrating and games are slowly passing by, but Tranmere are fucking woeful. You literally just need to finish a solitary point ahead of them as it stands. It's the hope that kills you, but I'd rather be doing the chasing and cling on to something, than be on a complete downward spiral like they are. It's not over yet.

 

[hellogregory]

I'd say back to back clean sheets is something to build on? I know it's frustrating and games are slowly passing by, but Tranmere are fucking woeful. You literally just need to finish a solitary point ahead of them as it stands. It's the hope that kills you, but I'd rather be doing the chasing and cling on to something, than be on a complete downward spiral like they are. It's not over yet.

We are on a complete downward spiral.

1 win in 10 games since the turn of the year.
5 points from a possible 30 in that time.

We’re getting worse.

 

[Moonie]

I'd say back to back clean sheets is something to build on? I know it's frustrating and games are slowly passing by, but Tranmere are fucking woeful. You literally just need to finish a solitary point ahead of them as it stands. It's the hope that kills you, but I'd rather be doing the chasing and cling on to something, than be on a complete downward spiral like they are. It's not over yet.

It's over. There is no fight in this team, and they give us absolutely nothing to cling on to.

I've seen the worst Carlisle United sides in history, and this one is fully deserving of being mentioned amongst them. There are some talented players here, but mentally they are the weakest bunch of professionals ever to (dis)grace the hallowed turf of Brunton Park.

 

[hellogregory]

For me this is the worst Carlisle United team I’ve ever seen. Its not amongst them, its out on its own.

A pathetic embarrassing points total after 32 games.

100% down
100% the worst team I’ve seen.

 

[Moonie]

For me this is the worst Carlisle United team I’ve ever seen. Its not amongst them, its out on its own.

A pathetic embarrassing points total after 32 games.

100% down
100% the worst team I’ve seen.

The 91/92 team will take some beating. But this lot are up there.

 

[hellogregory]

The 91/92 team will take some beating. But this lot are up there.

Before my time that.

I remember the 03/04 team that went down. This team is worse than that and won’t get anywhere near the 45 points that team were relegated on.

 

[Moonie]

Before my time that.

I remember the 03/04 team that went down. This team is worse than that and won’t get anywhere near the 45 points that team were relegated on.

The side that got relegated wasn't a bad side by the time relegation was confirmed. We were awful in the first half of the season, losing 12 straight games at one point. I think we had 5 points on the board in December, before hitting form. Second half of the season was much better, and we weren't far off promotion form. Ironically, by the time we were actually relegated we were actually a half-decent side. We'd certainly had worse over the 5 years preceding that devastating relegation. And, crucially, our form over the second half of the season set the scene for us bouncing back at the first attempt.

It meant little, but we didn't finish bottom - unlike in 91/92, when only Aldershot going bust saved us from non-league at a time when the club was on its knees. Crowds were down to 2/3k, and the club felt like it was dying. We managed just 34 points that season, winning just 7 games. Feast your eyes on the state of the crowd in our game against Scarborough:

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

I have that video, I used to love the music in between games…..if you really wanted to have shown that team at its worst you should have found that gillingham game got to be worst defending ever seen at this level by anyone that match .

I still think as said many times you got to look at last 2-3 weeks with two hats on…..one hat which yes goes t
‘Terrible results in short term for survival’ but the other hat if your convinced we probably are gone saying ‘was some green shoots there last few weeks, something finally to build upon’

At least in last 3 games with highest we sound better, play more as a team, put teams under pressure and create slme
Chances…….3 weeks ago it’d been 0-0 or a 0-1 defeat but we’d never ventured out of our own half and of a goal down you may as well have gone home.

It’s a huge re build job, highes has been for me making the right moves in his first few games the problem is he hasn’t got a lot of time for a proper rebuild…..but that isn’t his fault

 

[Tallow]

We're still (only) 5 points adrift with 14 games left.
Guy, Davies and Kelly returning and building up game time/ match fitness.
Likewise, Dennis. Had a poor start but he's getting stronger and better the more game time he gets.
An improved and more confident style of play under Sparky.
2 consecutive clean sheets, harder to beat.
I still live in hope.

 

[Carver]

The side that got relegated wasn't a bad side by the time relegation was confirmed. We were awful in the first half of the season, losing 12 straight games at one point. I think we had 5 points on the board in December, before hitting form. Second half of the season was much better, and we weren't far off promotion form. Ironically, by the time we were actually relegated we were actually a half-decent side. We'd certainly had worse over the 5 years preceding that devastating relegation. And, crucially, our form over the second half of the season set the scene for us bouncing back at the first attempt.

It meant little, but we didn't finish bottom - unlike in 91/92, when only Aldershot going bust saved us from non-league at a time when the club was on its knees. Crowds were down to 2/3k, and the club felt like it was dying. We managed just 34 points that season, winning just 7 games. Feast your eyes on the state of the crowd in our game against Scarborough:

We scored two goals in that match at home, two goals at home!!

That team there look like warriors in front of goal compared to what we have now.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

I went to 11 of them 12 defeats in a row there is a vast difference between club then and now and was a lot more reasons to think we’d bounce back then than now.

We had an atrocious side when Simpson took over with enormous behind scene issues, transfer embargo, binge drinking players who were constantly caught out away from football club getting p*ssed and lacking any care.

We lost 12 in a row but we were at least getting better each game Huddersfield away, Doncaster at home we lost but was battling and scrapping we just lacked quality.

Then transfer embargo went we signed kev gray, Tom Cowan and Andy presence and frankly had top 10 form rest of season but when your starting point is 5 points and you’ve only half a season left and needed 46 to survive what can you do.

This season for me much more dangerous and hard to turn around, no unity, no battling, no teamwork, we don’t in the last window just add the correct 3-4 key crucial players to improve the rest.

But listening in the last few weeks at least…….at last with highest we do seem at least to be getting some similarities to the longer term turnaround, results not good but performances better, we start to battle and create and doing more than we did……but it took Simpson an entire season and a relegation to finally improve enough, that is the problem now he isn’t going to be some miracle worker brining the sudden best out of this sh*te, we have to at least see if there are signs of progress but accept it may be too late now for this.

To have flogged 4 months of the season on a p*ss taking project with no care about anything going around it was unforgivable really.

 

[Moonie]

I went to 11 of them 12 defeats in a row there is a vast difference between club then and now and was a lot more reasons to think we’d bounce back then than now.

We had an atrocious side when Simpson took over with enormous behind scene issues, transfer embargo, binge drinking players who were constantly caught out away from football club getting p*ssed and lacking any care.

We lost 12 in a row but we were at least getting better each game Huddersfield away, Doncaster at home we lost but was battling and scrapping we just lacked quality.

Then transfer embargo went we signed kev gray, Tom Cowan and Andy presence and frankly had top 10 form rest of season but when your starting point is 5 points and you’ve only half a season left and needed 46 to survive what can you do.

This season for me much more dangerous and hard to turn around, no unity, no battling, no teamwork, we don’t in the last window just add the correct 3-4 key crucial players to improve the rest.

But listening in the last few weeks at least…….at last with highest we do seem at least to be getting some similarities to the longer term turnaround, results not good but performances better, we start to battle and create and doing more than we did……but it took Simpson an entire season and a relegation to finally improve enough, that is the problem now he isn’t going to be some miracle worker brining the sudden best out of this sh*te, we have to at least see if there are signs of progress but accept it may be too late now for this.

To have flogged 4 months of the season on a p*ss taking project with no care about anything going around it was unforgivable really.

I'd say it was playoff form - 40 points from close to the halfway stage of the season to the end of it. Simpson came close to the greatest escape of them all that season. I can still remember the feeling at the end of the Cheltenham game - absolutely numb. The briefest of silences before the crowd burst into song, absolutely surreal thinking back to it. That late equaliser for them knocked the stuffing out of me. There were over 1k Carlisle at Doncaster for the final game a week later.

 

[hellogregory]

I can still remember the feeling at the end of the Cheltenham game - absolutely numb.

Guess who our opponents are in our penultimate game of this season.

 

[GTFCfish]

but when your starting point is 5 points and you’ve only half a season left and needed 46 to survive what can you do?

Get another 41 points.

 

[hellogregory]

We're still (only) 5 points adrift with 14 games left.
Guy, Davies and Kelly returning and building up game time/ match fitness.
Likewise, Dennis. Had a poor start but he's getting stronger and better the more game time he gets.
An improved and more confident style of play under Sparky.
2 consecutive clean sheets, harder to beat.
I still live in hope.

If we were improving or even showing signs of improvement, I could understand your hope and optimism even if I didn’t see it myself.

But as Jon Colman rightly points out in his article today, at the start of January we were averaging 0.75 points per game. 2 months later that average has dropped to 0.625 points per game.

It’s an undeniable fact that we’ve been getting worse. The January signings haven’t worked at all. Since the turn of the year we’ve been picking up less points, less wins and been scoring less goals than we were pre January.

The gap may (only) be 5 points. But we’ve (only) picked up 5 points so far this year. And we’re nearly into March.

Form doesn’t lie. We are heading in the wrong direction. It’s devastating but we need to be realistic here. This team isn’t staying up.

 

[LS Bantam]

Early impressions of Mark Hughes? No keepie uppies from him yet in the dugout?

 

[DearneValleyRover]

I was in Carlisle at the weekend, went to see my mate (Carlisle fan) in his band at the Old Fire Station. The lead singer does a lot of media work and knows the American owners, he said Hughes has only been brought in until the end of the season with the remit of keeping you up.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

Early impressions of Mark Hughes? No keepie uppies from him yet in the dugout?

I see what's happened now; the Yank owners, not being familiar with footballing vernacular, had heard that Sparky was good at keepie uppies and have interpreted that in an erroneous way...

 

[hellogregory]

Early impressions of Mark Hughes? No keepie uppies from him yet in the dugout?

Hard to judge at this stage really. You can’t polish a turd as they say.

No dugout keepie uppies yet.

 

[Tallow]

Early impressions of Mark Hughes? No keepie uppies from him yet in the dugout?

Because of his brilliance as a footballer, and his huge experience as a PL manager and International manager, I would say he's got off to a good start.
Seems to have the respect of the players, fellow staff (eg Devitt, Birch), owners and fans.
Talks sense and is realistic with the media, has a plan B, we're playing some decent football and with a bit of good old fashioned luck we could have picked up a few more points under him.
No keepie uppies yet. Probably waiting until we're safe, middle of April possibly.
We'll see.

 

[Tallow]

If we were improving or even showing signs of improvement, I could understand your hope and optimism even if I didn’t see it myself.

But as Jon Colman rightly points out in his article today, at the start of January we were averaging 0.75 points per game. 2 months later that average has dropped to 0.625 points per game.

It’s an undeniable fact that we’ve been getting worse. The January signings haven’t worked at all. Since the turn of the year we’ve been picking up less points, less wins and been scoring less goals than we were pre January.

The gap may (only) be 5 points. But we’ve (only) picked up 5 points so far this year. And we’re nearly into March.

Form doesn’t lie. We are heading in the wrong direction. It’s devastating but we need to be realistic here. This team isn’t staying up.

This team can stay up.
14 games left, 5 points to catch up.
It's not impossible.
My mantra is keep fighting/believing.
If a mindset is negative and defeated then whats the point of even turning up.
Football is littered with great escapes.

 

[hellogregory]

This team can stay up.
14 games left, 5 points to catch up.
It's not impossible.
My mantra is keep fighting/believing.
If a mindset is negative and defeated then whats the point of even turning up.
Football is littered with great escapes.

I’d love nothing more than for you to be able to say I told you so to me come May.

But I just don’t see anything in this team to give me any sort of belief that there could be a great escape.

 

[Coalite]

I'm firmly in the camp of wanting Carlisle to string a few results together and stay up now just for the banter.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Early impressions of Mark Hughes? No keepie uppies from him yet in the dugout?

He’s working on extremely little and the big problem for him is time but I think he’s done more good in 3 weeks than Williamson did in his entire god awful spell.

At least now we are competitive, give it a good go and put teams under pressure, before it was some weird approach where it didn’t matter if we got hammered and never got into the other sides half at all the entire game as long as we had better possession we had somehow ‘won’

Last 3 games we created lots of chances and last 2 had clean sheets…….would have neither under Williamson.

But………no goals and either he’s going to get lucky if we keep playing like this and them chances will finally go into the net or he’s going to be unlucky and our atrocious January removing the only established L2 goalscorer we had and replacing with youth players……..will sink us

 

[Coalite]

What's the preferred result tonight? Accy win? Draw?