The boring top 4 thread

[Lionel Messi]

Wijnaldum an "average player"?

If you hold that position, you both underrate his ability and do not understand his role as a central midfielder in Klopp's Liverpool You can use the word 'inconsistent' maybe. I think Liverpool's current squad would benefit dramatically with a natural defensive midfielder and another playmaker

 

[SALTIRE]

How many matches did you see? It's certainly for a reason that wijnaldum was called 'the invisible man' at Newcastle. He became captain mostly because he was one of the oldest Dutch-speaking players at the time. Only when he scored a goal you noticed that wijnaldum was on the pitch at PSV.

And how many matches have you watched him with Liverpool? Obviously none if you are making dull and unbearably wrong comments about his work at Anfield. You think he'd be anywhere near the side under Klopp if he was as invisible as you say? Please....

 

[Lionel Messi]

And how many matches have you watched him with Liverpool? Obviously none if you are making dull and unbearably wrong comments about his work at Anfield. You think he'd be anywhere near the side under Klopp if he was as invisible as you say? Please....

Yes, the technical and workrate demand of a central midfielder in Jurgen Klopp’s midfield is seriously being misslooked here this is the first time I’ve heard Winajldum be called “average”

 

[epic73]

It brings me great pleasure that Arsenal's new front 4 could spell out LMAO.

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

And how many matches have you watched him with Liverpool? Obviously none if you are making dull and unbearably wrong comments about his work at Anfield. You think he'd be anywhere near the side under Klopp if he was as invisible as you say? Please....

For your information, I have seen multiple matches, and he remains the same regular player. The fact that liverpool paid so much money for such an average player is typical for the transfer policy of most English clubs.

How is it possible that liverpool's academy even can't produce average players like wijnaldum? Needless to say that paying £25 million for a player like wijnaldum is absolute madness. But English clubs don't mind as money seems to be no problem, so why not squander it on average players?

 

[Lionel Messi]

For your information, I have seen multiple matches, and he remains the same regular player.

I don't think you've watched any Wijnaldum games my friend

The fact that liverpool paid so much money for such an average player is typical for the transfer policy of most English clubs.

Demonstate to me how Wijnaldum is an "average" player you could argue he has weaknesses in certain areas, but to overlook his strengths reeks of emotionally-driven agenda. It's pathetic. I hope it's not just because he left your beloved PSV for Newcastle United look here boys, I think we have a motive now...

Needless to say that paying £25 million for a player like wijnaldum is absolute madness.

Your head is trapped in the past fella the market dictates the price. I doubt any of these players who go for even £60m or £70m these days are actually worth their price tag. I can remember back in 1996 when £15m bought you an Alan Shearer those were the days!

How is it possible that liverpool's academy even can't produce average players like wijnaldum?

What does Liverpool's academy have anything to do with Wijnaldum? Now you're just throwing in random attacks to try to support your weak argument

But English clubs don't mind as money seems to be no problem, so why not squander it on average players?

What's your problem with all the money in the English game? That's life I don't think you realise the wealth and power being pumped through the English Premier League brand. If you can't understand today's transfer market or see Wijnaldum worth as a player (ability, technically and workrate wise) then you've lost the plot mate. You're blinded by your twisted personal sentiments. Grow up. Or try the internet

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

wijnaldum's rating against Swansea tells it all:
Got off the team bus, got back on it. Not sure what happened in between. Looked like a child lost in a theme park, didn’t act like one though as they often talk to someone, even if it’s to ask where their mummy is.
Had a fleeting appearance on 56 minutes with a forward ball that almost resulted in a chance for Firmino was subbed off on 72 minutes.
Genuinely awful and it was incredible he wasn’t subbed earlier.

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

What does Liverpool's academy have anything to do with Wijnaldum? Now you're just throwing in random attacks to try to support your weak argument

You're clearly not seeing the big picture. How come liverpool's academy isn't capable of producing average players like wijnaldum? That would safe them a lot of money. Why investing money in an academy if it results in nothing?

Your head is trapped in the past fella the market dictates the price. I doubt any of these players who go for even £60m or £70m these days are actually worth their price tag. I can remember back in 1996 when £15m bought you an Alan Shearer those were the days!

You don't see that £25 million is way too much for an average player like wijnaldum? Maybe it's because English clubs tend to squander money, which has become common practice.

Demonstate to me how Wijnaldum is an "average" player you could argue he has weaknesses in certain areas, but to overlook his strengths reeks of emotionally-driven agenda. It's pathetic. I hope it's not just because he left your beloved PSV for Newcastle United look here boys, I think we have a motive now

Hahahaha, I was relieved when 'the invisible man' left PSV.

 

[Lionel Messi]

wijnaldum's rating against Swansea tells it all:
Got off the team bus, got back on it. Not sure what happened in between. Looked like a child lost in a theme park, didn’t act like one though as they often talk to someone, even if it’s to ask where their mummy is.
Had a fleeting appearance on 56 minutes with a forward ball that almost resulted in a chance for Firmino was subbed off on 72 minutes.
Genuinely awful and it was incredible he wasn’t subbed earlier.

I don't think you understand that it was Swansea City's excellent tactical set up that stopped Liverpool from playing their usual game. Don't blame Klopp's team choice and tactical failings on THAT night on Wijnaldum If you were to look just a week earlier you would have seen the strengths of Wijnaldum against the best midfield in the league. Now did Wijnaldum suddenly become an "average" player over night versus Swansea? NO

It's obvious what type of player Liverpool needed that night at the heart of their team...

 

[Lionel Messi]

How come liverpool's academy isn't capable of producing average players like wijnaldum? That would safe them a lot of money. Why investing money in an academy if it results in nothing?

I don't think you have any clue on the talents in Liverpool's current academy. Or even how modern academy's work in the English Premier League football anymore. You are being completely disrespectful too.bad form from you. bad form.

Maybe it's because English clubs tend to squander money, which has become common practice.

I think you're slowly getting the idea of how much money English clubs have now. Well done.

Hahahaha, I was relieved when 'the invisible man' left PSV.

Well, this is your problem underlined. You still think he's the same Wijnaldum I still think you're hurt.

 

[SALTIRE]

For your information, I have seen multiple matches, and he remains the same regular player. The fact that liverpool paid so much money for such an average player is typical for the transfer policy of most English clubs.

How is it possible that liverpool's academy even can't produce average players like wijnaldum? Needless to say that paying £25 million for a player like wijnaldum is absolute madness. But English clubs don't mind as money seems to be no problem, so why not squander it on average players?

Ok now you bore me, you are clearly an idiot.

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

Ok now you bore me, you are clearly an idiot.

Try again, but this time use some arguments......

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

I don't think you understand that it was Swansea City's excellent tactical set up that stopped Liverpool from playing their usual game. Don't blame Klopp's team choice and tactical failings on THAT night on Wijnaldum If you were to look just a week earlier you would have seen the strengths of Wijnaldum against the best midfield in the league. Now did Wijnaldum suddenly become an "average" player over night versus Swansea? NO

It's obvious what type of player Liverpool needed that night at the heart of their team...

I don't judge wijnaldum on his 'performance' against Swansea. Just saying that it was typical for wijnaldum's lack of quality.

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

Well, this is your problem underlined. You still think he's the same Wijnaldum I still think you're hurt.

In fact, he's still that same invisible man, with his performances at both liverpool and the Dutch national team as testament to that notion.

 

[mistermagic]

In fact, he's still that same invisible man, with his performances at both liverpool and the Dutch national team as testament to that notion.

I think that if your national team had a whole starting 11 the same level of "average" Wijnaldum then you'd be much better quality-wise. Believe me, he's not the one holding you back. Your lack of talent in general is.

 

[Gills4years]

I think that if your national team had a whole starting 11 the same level of "average" Wijnaldum then you'd be much better quality-wise. Believe me, he's not the one holding you back. Your lack of talent in general is.

That's a very cruel thing to say about the £75m man, Van Dijk

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

I think that if your national team had a whole starting 11 the same level of "average" Wijnaldum then you'd be much better quality-wise. Believe me, he's not the one holding you back. Your lack of talent in general is.

You obviously haven't seen him play for the Dutch national team. wijnaldum is always a big disappointment.

 

[Leewilson]

This is an argument of 2 extremes. He’s a decent player, not as good as the Liverpool fans are making out but nowhere near as bad as RNC is claiming.

 

[Lionel Messi]

This is an argument of 2 extremes. He’s a decent player, not as good as the Liverpool fans are making out but nowhere near as bad as RNC is claiming.

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Wijnaldum has his strengths and weaknesses as a central midfielder but in no way is he this "invisible"/"average" footballer.

 

[Pagnell]

This is an argument of 2 extremes. He’s a decent player, not as good as the Liverpool fans are making out but nowhere near as bad as RNC is claiming.

I don't believe Liverpool fans have offered extreme views on him.

 

[G.B]

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Wijnaldum has his strengths and weaknesses as a central midfielder but in no way is he this "invisible"/"average" footballer.

Hi there

I agree He definitely has his strengths and weaknesses, nobody is saying he is perfect angel or particularly but he's a solid enough, appropriately salaried footballer :hesk: and Liverpool shouldn't just give up on him and make him leave imo and anyone who thinks he's invisible is an idiot and it really frustrates me idiots think that .

Somewhat but if you dancing milk carton this guy comes up in the results

Thanks for reading

 

[Bilo]

I don't believe Liverpool fans have offered extreme views on him.

Thank you Pags.

 

[JimJams]

Quiet you, you're a Lazio fan.

 

[Bilo]

Quiet you, you're a Lazio fan.

I was merely thanking him for standing in as the sensible, impartial voice that he is.

And yes we have been fantastic since we signed Lucas you have to say.

 

[JimJams]

Teaching Milinkovic-Savic everything he knows.

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

Wijnaldum has his strengths and weaknesses as a central midfielder but in no way is he this "invisible"/"average" footballer.

Any arguments?

 

[Stevencc]

Here is a recent player review from an avid Liverpool fan, one that frequents a Liverpool FC forum (the name of which I shall, for now, keep to myself).

Mignolet - If a Charlie Chaplin comedy film needed a goalkeeper, he would be it. He saves nothing. Spared a 4th goal by VAR. Spared a 5th goal by the offside flag (his embarrassing failed punch attempt). He would have almost certainly conceded the shots Foster saved. Never play him ever again. He is as close to useless as a player could ever be. There's not a goalkeeper in the Premier League I wouldn't trade him for.

TAA - All this talk of "Clyne might struggle to get back in the squad at this rate". Well TAA and Gomez are certainly keen for him to get a go aren't they. Schoolboy from TAA today - sloppy, clumsy, taking his eye off the ball, poor crosses, poor decision-making.

Matip - Rolls-Royce prime Ferdinand at the start of his time at Liverpool. Still an alright player but his decline has been steep and obvious. Certainly not much between him and Lovren at any rate.

VVD - I'll wait until he's played more matches to form a fair opinion here. It won't help him that he's surrounded by dross.

Moreno - Didn't think he did too much wrong.

Emre Can - World's slowest player over 10 yards. Dinosaur. I'm not arsed about his contract one bit.

Gini Wijnaldum - Ghost... he always is.

Oxlade-Chamberlain - Set pieces uncharacteristically bad. Wijnaldum levels of anonymous otherwise.

Firmino - Did okay, some loose touches, great work rate and a great goal.

Mane - Did okay.

Salah - Always a threat.

Ings - Good impact, great desire.

Milner - Good impact, got some rare shots on target for us.

Henderson - Good impact. The most creative midfielder we have (that alone says a lot). I like him. Hopefully Can and Wijnaldum will never again start another game together in the remaining time of the universe, with Henderson and Lallana now available.

Now, I am drawing absolutely no conclusions from this text, but let the court recognise the similarities between Roque's comments, and this gentleman's.

 

[JimJams]

Even Ox's review is a dig at Mr Average.

 

[Stevencc]

Even more evidence.

Thanks, friend.

 

[Lionel Messi]

Calling Matip a “Rolls-Royce prime Ferdinand” is another highlight