The National League resolution vote

[chipmunx]

without grants the majority in NLN will 100% vote N+V - even just to annoy York and AFC Fylde

 

[Like a Glove]

Our Chairman has made his thoughts clear in the letter to our fans that I posted a link to tonight.

Has he? I've read it and still can't work out which way he's voting.

 

[#Beebot]

It has everything to do with funding, the whole point of ending the season or not is because of funding or lack of it.

But the season is almost certainly going to end. The big question now is whether the NL will have null and void forced on them against their will. I think all teams should have a say in that.

 

[chipmunx]

But the season is almost certainly going to end. The big question now is whether the NL will have null and void forced on them against their will. I think all teams should have a say in that.

all teams do have a say - that's what the 1st vote is for;- but unfortunately for the NL the demise of Macclesfield might be the crucial thing here, as only 23 in the top division means they can't reach 75% on their own.

 

[Stoney Ground]

all teams do have a say - that's what the 1st vote is for;- but unfortunately for the NL the demise of Macclesfield might be the crucial thing here, as only 23 in the top division means they can't reach 75% on their own.

To defeat resolution 1 it only needs 8 Votes, so National South’s best hope of continuing is to have their 4 votes agains which means 4 more votes from NL.

If 1 gets passed, then National North hold the fate of National South.

 

[iron4ever]

Never did really understand gobbledegook, having read the statement/resolution l do now....!

 

[karlready]

Blimey, I’ve read and re-read, and my brain hurts. As usual, the can is being kicked down the road, but I would be firmly against anything that would accrue further debt for Aldershot. Having said that, it is vital that collectively the League does nothing to jeopardise the connection to the EFL.That has to be the priority.

 

[chipmunx]

Blimey, I’ve read and re-read, and my brain hurts. As usual, the can is being kicked down the road, but I would be firmly against anything that would accrue further debt for Aldershot. Having said that, it is vital that collectively the League does nothing to jeopardise the connection to the EFL.That has to be the priority.

for the league to keep it's integrity the 3 leagues need to be treated the same - so either all continue - or all null and void. I don't think anything below step 2 will restart anyway - so promotion to NLN and NLS and relegation from it won't happen anyway. But if NL wants promotion to the EFL then it has to have promotion/relegation between steps 1 and 2. Similarly IF the NL have explored all options on funding i don't think the EFL would change 2 up 2 down in future if the NL season was voided for one season.

 

[Atavistic]

Confirmation that for Resolution 1 to pass, the Premier clubs are relying on one of the North and South divisions to not vote fully against it (assuming there aren't many if any votes against it in the top division). Given that the clubs in the North almost all want the season to stop, you would imagine they'll vote in favour of Resolution 1 to have the greatest chance of getting their season stopped (as they have the majority 22 to the South's 21 clubs).

The situation in the South is a bit more murky as there seems to be more clubs willing and eager to play on, though equally some like Concord Rangers in fierce opposition to doing so. It could be very close as to whether there's enough wanting to play on to get their vote against Resolution 1, as they'll want Resolution 2 so as to be able to continue playing.

 

[Chief Rocka]

If we end up going the route, Resolution 1 - Fail, into Resolution 4 which is looking most likely I'd assume? that vote is going to be incredibly close isn't it?

The National League are either going to be forced to stop because of the Regional Leagues, or they're gonna be forced to play on with loans because of the National League, what a mess.

 

[Gladders]

Reading that, isn't it better for Reso 1 to fail?

Only 50% needed for Reso 4 to fail with only 8 votes from North and South. Are there really more than 8 clubs in the Prem wanting the season to end? ( And that's assuming all 8 votes in the north and south for for season ending).

Reso 2 requires 12 to vote to continue.

 

[Stocky]

So of it goes to resolution 4. I think there will be more than 16 teams who wants to continue in the National league. This would keep all the divisions going.

If you were a North or South team who want to cancel the season, you are best off voting to pass Resolution 1 surely?

 

[jacobncfc]

Yup, 16 is the magic number at step one. With that, it doesn’t matter what route it takes, the season won’t be ended. Could have the knock on effect of keeping step two going no matter what the clubs at that level want, which would be weird, depending on what happens with resolution one.

The 16 is probably quite tight, I reckon.

 

[MrGloverLover]

Has he? I've read it and still can't work out which way he's voting.

He's said definitely no to loans, it has to be grants, but also in his opinion the vote should be postponed.

 

[MrGloverLover]

I read that as more of another campaign message for grants than a clear statement on which way you’d vote if it came to it.

He thinks the vote should be postponed to allow a PR campaign.

 

[Stocky]

Yup, 16 is the magic number at step one. With that, it doesn’t matter what route it takes, the season won’t be ended. Could have the knock on effect of keeping step two going no matter what the clubs at that level want, which would be weird, depending on what happens with resolution one.

The 16 is probably quite tight, I reckon.

I see it like this. I could be majorly wrong.

It's set up so that Resolution 1 gets passed through. It's in the interests of the majority (more than 75% threshold for sure) to do that. If you are a National League team who wants the season to continue, you vote through Res 1 because it requires 12 teams of the 23 to to void it as opposed to only 7 who want to void it in Res 2. I'm assuming that the 8 North/South votes would be to void it.

If you are a National North/South club who wants to void it, you also want Res 1 to pass so you can control your individual step, If you don't vote Res 1 through, you rely on hoping that 7 clubs in step 1 bring down the whole thing. They're much more likely to get it canned if they just need half of step 2 to sack it off.

Probably read it all wrong but my prediction is Resolution 1 passes through.

 

[jacobncfc]

He thinks the vote should be postponed to allow a PR campaign.

I see it like this. I could be majorly wrong.

It's set up so that Resolution 1 gets passed through. It's in the interests of the majority (more than 75% threshold for sure) to do that. If you are a National League team who wants the season to continue, you vote through Res 1 because it requires 12 teams of the 23 to to void it as opposed to only 7 who want to void it in Res 2. I'm assuming that the 8 North/South votes would be to void it.

If you are a National North/South club who wants to void it, you also want Res 1 to pass so you can control your individual step, If you don't vote Res 1 through, you rely on hoping that 7 clubs in step 1 bring down the whole thing. They're much more likely to get it canned if they just need half of step 2 to sack it off.

Probably read it all wrong but my prediction is Resolution 1 passes through.

Yeah, I agree. The clubs at step two who are desperate to play on seem to have worked this out and intend to vote down resolution one, but I don’t think there’s enough of them.

 

[Stocky]

Just a quick note on if Wrexham are abstaining, looking at that graphic the burden of the Null and Void is based on the number of pass votes. If Wrexham abstain, that is basically a vote for carry on the season.

 

[jacobncfc]

Just a quick note on if Wrexham are abstaining, looking at that graphic the burden of the Null and Void is based on the number of pass votes. If Wrexham abstain, that is basically a vote for carry on the season.

This looks true to me. I can’t really see twelve teams voting to end the season, particularly with two you’d imagine were possibilities there (Maidenhead and Altrincham) publicly in favour of continuing.

 

[Luke Imp]

The way I see is IF the NL go null and void they are setting themselves up for massive court cases. Basically it could mean the league imploding.
A club having its season cancelled due to teams a division below wanting to stop will not hold up well. I certainly would sue for wages, advertising, sponsors, loss of stream revenue.
They could end up bankrupting themselves.

Nah, people were saying that about the EFL last season. It's the members of the league that are voting so the NL themselves aren't accountable for the decision.

Tranmere and Peterborough tried the scare tactics of legal challenges last season but both went very quiet on it when the results came in.

 

[Luke Imp]

It'd make sense for the NL and NLN/NLS to have separate votes full stop. I'm sure the resolutions are written into the league rules so not much can be done but it can't make sense for two leagues to potentially outvote another within the same pyramid.

The EFL leagues were allowed to make their own decisions last season.

 

[Stocky]

This looks true to me. I can’t really see twelve teams voting to end the season, particularly with two you’d imagine were possibilities there (Maidenhead and Altrincham) publicly in favour of continuing.

There's no way there would be 12 in this league to cancel it.

I'd struggle to find 8 which is the miniumum needed if it went to Resolution 2 either to be honest. As stated earlier, I feel Resolution 1 will be the route.

I don't see this step being cancelled even though I wouldn't be that bothered. I just can't wait for fans to get back in hoepfully next season.

 

[karlready]

I see it like this. I could be majorly wrong.

It's set up so that Resolution 1 gets passed through. It's in the interests of the majority (more than 75% threshold for sure) to do that. If you are a National League team who wants the season to continue, you vote through Res 1 because it requires 12 teams of the 23 to to void it as opposed to only 7 who want to void it in Res 2. I'm assuming that the 8 North/South votes would be to void it.

If you are a National North/South club who wants to void it, you also want Res 1 to pass so you can control your individual step, If you don't vote Res 1 through, you rely on hoping that 7 clubs in step 1 bring down the whole thing. They're much more likely to get it canned if they just need half of step 2 to sack it off.

Probably read it all wrong but my prediction is Resolution 1 passes through.

Yep, having given it some thought, you are probably right, it does appear to be set-up to pass. There will be a handful of clubs in tier one wishing to N&V, but not enough.

 

[chipmunx]

saw this on twitter.....

 

[Bee sting]

Kettering have already stated they will not play again until the result of the vote. What happens if NLN clubs loose but refuse to take on loans or play on.

 

[Bee sting]

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saw this on twitter.....

That's probably from a Barrow fan so they can't be relegated.

 

[#Beebot]

for the league to keep it's integrity the 3 leagues need to be treated the same - so either all continue - or all null and void. I don't think anything below step 2 will restart anyway - so promotion to NLN and NLS and relegation from it won't happen anyway. But if NL wants promotion to the EFL then it has to have promotion/relegation between steps 1 and 2. Similarly IF the NL have explored all options on funding i don't think the EFL would change 2 up 2 down in future if the NL season was voided for one season.

There's no challenge to the integrity of the league if step 1 carries on without step 2. They are fundamentally different leagues with totally different types of club.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Interesting interview with Southport director Ian Kyle
Minute 3 to 13 ish

Further Update From Ian Kyle | Southport Football Club

The latest news from Ian as we discuss David Morgan’s transfer, the resolutions and the future of the season. Ian Kyle Update 2 Feb 2021

southportfc.net

 

[LongEatonPie]

Nah, people were saying that about the EFL last season. It's the members of the league that are voting so the NL themselves aren't accountable for the decision.

Tranmere and Peterborough tried the scare tactics of legal challenges last season but both went very quiet on it when the results came in.

What i mean is our league could potentially be null and void if there are enough votes from NLN/S.
Thats like saying Scotland have pulled out of the World Cup so England, Wales and N Ireland have to as well.
There has to be a sensible decision where each step is decided separately.

 

[Stoney Ground]

What i mean is our league could potentially be null and void if there are enough votes from NLN/S.
Thats like saying Scotland have pulled out of the World Cup so England, Wales and N Ireland have to as well.
There has to be a sensible decision where each step is decided separately.

Where our league is concerned N&S only have a total of 8 votes, so 8 NL clubs would have to vote to N&V in Resolution 4