The Relegation Thread

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That 'outspoken bitch' was right. It is disingenuous to lay the blame solely at Holloway or Lomas's door. A holistic approach is needed to understand our current position, and those foundations (or lack thereof) were laid by Jackett towards the end of his reign.

I don't pretend to know as much about Millwall as you and I can't really convey what she said over a three year period accurately. But bear in mind that I finished uni in 2013 and she moaned about Jackett from the first day I met her in my first year.

In that 2010-13 period, was Jackett really that bad? In that first year, you finished 9th in the Championship. 2nd season, consolidation with 57 points and 16th place. Final season, you dipped massively but perhaps a part of this was due to the FA Cup run?

I'm not saying Jackett was perfect but for 3 years she complained when you've known worse times as a Millwall fan. I don't believe her complaint was anything to do with Jackett laying or not laying foundations for the future down. It was purely a fact that she was a season ticket holder, went to games and moaned at the first sign of not winning a game
 

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Jackett was like a Volvo, safe and reliable but ultimately unsatisfying as an experience. Nothing wrong with a Volvo though and when you've had years of Lada's it can feel like a godsend.

Problem is when you've had a Volvo for a few years you yearn for something more exciting. We can't afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini so we went for Holloway, more of a second hand, 15 year old Porsche 911 from Ebay. Potentially exciting, almost certainly noisy and inefficient and likely to end up costing you a fortune in the long run. Unfortunately it looks like we've bought a bit of a dud and I'm not entirely convinced that the brakes are working.

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I don't pretend to know as much about Millwall as you and I can't really convey what she said over a three year period accurately. But bear in mind that I finished uni in 2013 and she moaned about Jackett from the first day I met her in my first year.

In that 2010-13 period, was Jackett really that bad? In that first year, you finished 9th in the Championship. 2nd season, consolidation with 57 points and 16th place. Final season, you dipped massively but perhaps a part of this was due to the FA Cup run?

I'm not saying Jackett was perfect but for 3 years she complained when you've known worse times as a Millwall fan. I don't believe her complaint was anything to do with Jackett laying or not laying foundations for the future down. It was purely a fact that she was a season ticket holder, went to games and moaned at the first sign of not winning a game

I can't speak for her broader opinion of Jackett, but parting the parting of ways was definitely the right decision at the time (and one actually taken by Jackett himself, it should be noted. We didn't sack him.) For all of the good he did, he left us in a terrible state when he left. A large proportion of our squad out of contract and the ones left were lacking in quality. Our run in the second half of his final season was on a par with, if not worse than, our current poor form. Only a Palace comeback saved us from going down on the last day.
 

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Jackett was like a Volvo, safe and reliable but ultimately unsatisfying as an experience. Nothing wrong with a Volvo though and when you've had years of Lada's it can feel like a godsend.

Problem is when you've had a Volvo for a few years you yearn for something more exciting. We can't afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini so we went for Holloway, more of a second hand, 15 year old Porsche 911 from Ebay. Potentially exciting, almost certainly noisy and inefficient and likely to end up costing you a fortune in the long run. Unfortunately it looks like we've bought a bit of a dud and I'm not entirely convinced that the brakes are working.

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Personally I was perfectly content with the no frills volvo. But it became increasingly apparent that it wasn't going to pass its MOT.
 

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I can't speak for her broader opinion of Jackett, but parting the parting of ways was definitely the right decision at the time (and one actually taken by Jackett himself, it should be noted. We didn't sack him.) For all of the good he did, he left us in a terrible state when he left. A large proportion of our squad out of contract and the ones left were lacking in quality. Our run in the second half of his final season was on a par with, if not worse than, our current poor form. Only a Palace comeback saved us from going down on the last day.

Fair enough, I can't argue with that.

Every Monday morning when you'd lost a game though (in your decent seasons) and I'm hearing that 'he's got to go, he's clueless', that's largely why I was arguing back. My arguments consisted of that he took you up and has stabilised you. She wanted promotion to the Premier League.
 

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Fair enough, I can't argue with that.

Every Monday morning when you'd lost a game though (in your decent seasons) and I'm hearing that 'he's got to go, he's clueless', that's largely why I was arguing back. My arguments consisted of that he took you up and has stabilised you. She wanted promotion to the Premier League.

Nature of the football fan. Do well and you're praised. Do too well and you're inevitably held to a higher, some might say impossible, standard. I was relatively content to battle relegation for a few seasons. For example, unlike some other Millwall fans, I don't consider Jackett's penultimate season to be a failure because, even though we struggled for most of it, it was entertaining and we had a decent two or three months in the Spring after we'd signed Kane and Keogh where we scored goals and played good football.

Ultimately, though, I'd still have clamoured for change eventually. I have no interest in staying in this division if staying in this division means treading water year-in, year-out. This is why I have little interest in the Premier League.
 

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yeah no. I wasn't being entirely serious.
 

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Well, we're still not very good but I'm a little buoyed this evening by the fact that I'm beginning to believe that Wigan and Millwall are actually worse than us.

Great win for Rotherham today.

Scrap that.

We're gone.
 

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That would involve one of us, Wigan, or even Blackpool catching you. I don't think any of those three are good enough honestly.
 

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This is undoubtedly the worst Charlton side I have ever seen, no exaggeration. We will not win another game this season.
 

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Wigan are gone aren't they? Their demise saddens me a little while I'd rather have Brighton than Millwall relegated.
 

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I'm happy to see Wigan go down, ideally would want to see Fulham go too but that's probably unrealistic now.
 

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Another bad night for Wigan by the sounds of it.Can't see them getting out of the bottom 3 now.
 

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With all the millions Wigan have spent in the last couple of years they resort to playing Leon Clarke as a lone striker :fish:
 

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Come over to the dark side Wigan...we're waiting.
 

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I will wait until after our game with Wigan on Tuesday night before i take the piss out of Leon Clarke.Scored past us enough times in the past.Might have to bet on him scoring.
 

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From what I can tell, Mackay has led Wigan to 1 win in 12. 8 defeats in there.
 

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If they do go down at least we wont have to hear another radio interview on how Dave Whelan broke his leg 200 years ago.
 

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Just to let you know, it's been a pleasure giving the majority of you 3 points. See you in 27 years.
 

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Didn't sound great against Millwall today but climbing away now. 8 points clear of relegation and put plenty of clubs between us and the drop now. Should be okay now. Important little run since the turn of the year.
 

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Great day for us.

Comfortable win, which not only stops the rot but improves our GD, teams around us dropping points and we create a bit of breathing space between us and the bottom three.

Just hope now we've ended that horrific run we can kick on.
 

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It is very hard to take anything you say seriously when you act like a hysterical person.

I suppose you'll be 'nailed-on' again if you lose badly next week.
 

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It is very hard to take anything you say seriously when you act like a hysterical person.

I suppose you'll be 'nailed-on' again if you lose badly next week.

Not sure where I said we were safe?

Far from it. I'm simply pointing out that everything went in our favour today. If you had to see the shit we have had to watch since November (On and off the pitch, I might add) and watch your side fall from the play-off places to 3 points off the relegation zone, I strongly suspect you would not be feeling optimistic.
 

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But are you going to win another game this season?
 

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