The Van Gaal Era: Preformance Checks/Kpis

[Nilsson]

Neither is LVG by the looks of it. Moyes won 12 out of his first 24, exactly the same as LVG. And that's after spending roughly the same as Arsenal, Chelsea, City and Man Yoo did in Moyes' season in charge.

Moyes took over the Champions, LVG took over the team that finished 7th. Different scenarios. And I'm confident he'll get us back in the top 4. We'll see.

 

[Nilsson]

And since when did spending a lot of money equate to instant success? We were a team in crisis when he took over. It's about building a team - whether or not he's the man to do it yet to be seen, but I'm far more confident with him in charge than I was with Moyes.

 

[Destruction]

Who you talking to cha

 

[Nilsson]

G.B.

 

[G.B]

Since ever. There's a very long list of clubs who've bought their way to success. Your lot spent a lot of time whinging about some of them in recent years.

You're a club in crisis now. You've spent hundreds of millions and yet you're hoofing the ball at Fellaini's face from 60 yards away at teams like West Ham and look no better than you did last season. Far worse in some respects. Maybe Moyes would have done better if he was backed in the market like that angry bloke with the stats sheet has been.

He's playing 3-1-6 formations mate, there's not a lot to be confident about atm.

 

[Nilsson]

Since ever. There's a very long list of clubs who've bought their way to success. Your lot spent a lot of time whinging about some of them in recent years.

You can spend as much money as you want but you've still got to build a team. Mansour bought City in 2008, they didn't win anything until 2011.

You're a club in crisis now. You've spent hundreds of millions and yet you're hoofing the ball at Fellaini's face from 60 yards away at teams like West Ham and look no better than you did last season. Far worse in some respects. Maybe Moyes would have done better if he was backed in the market like that angry bloke with the stats sheet has been.

At least Van Gaal is using Fellaini effectively. Moyes didn't have a clue what do with him.

 

[SALTIRE]

First time I've seen it today and LVG really lost it - Big Sam ™ did him up like a kipper!

 

[allouso]

In my opinion it's all about results for United this season. Doesn't matter how bad their performances are as long as they get back into the top 4 and at the moment they are on course to do that.

Remember when Liverpool "only" challenged for the title because they weren't in the CL? Yeah, it wasn't that simple.

 

[Nilsson]

Remember when Liverpool "only" challenged for the title because they weren't in the CL? Yeah, it wasn't that simple.

Who's ever said that was the "only" reason? I'm sure having the best player in the league helped too. But I'm not sure that Liverpool side would be much competition for this Chelsea side this season.

 

[NiallQuinnDiscoPants]

Since ever. There's a very long list of clubs who've bought their way to success. Your lot spent a lot of time whinging about some of them in recent years.

You're a club in crisis now. You've spent hundreds of millions and yet you're hoofing the ball at Fellaini's face from 60 yards away at teams like West Ham and look no better than you did last season. Far worse in some respects. Maybe Moyes would have done better if he was backed in the market like that angry bloke with the stats sheet has been.

He's playing 3-1-6 formations mate, there's not a lot to be confident about atm.

just laughing at the likes of Mata, Di Maria and Herrera spending a Monday morning in training attempting to kick a football into Fellaini's face

 

[silkyman]

Yesh... Ushe the Afro like a target boysh...

For shure...

 

[G.B]

Aint nobody control a ball with their face like Fellaini does

 

[Master D]

He is the luckiest manager in the league right now.

 

[SALTIRE]

He is the luckiest manager in the league right now.

Yep and only Villa are playing worse football as well. The luck will run out soon though.

 

[G-Dragon]

Poor.

 

[allouso]

Who's ever said that was the "only" reason? I'm sure having the best player in the league helped too. But I'm not sure that Liverpool side would be much competition for this Chelsea side this season.

Come on, we heard that a lot last season.

And yeah that side wouldn't compete with Chelsea. Guess it would push City for 2nd at best.

 

[NiallQuinnDiscoPants]

seems that with this united, they play absolute garbage against most teams in the league, but in the big games against the likes of chelsea and city they do up their performance slightly.

 

[Mr. Scruff]

Since ever. There's a very long list of clubs who've bought their way to success. Your lot spent a lot of time whinging about some of them in recent years.

You're a club in crisis now. You've spent hundreds of millions and yet you're hoofing the ball at Fellaini's face from 60 yards away at teams like West Ham and look no better than you did last season. Far worse in some respects. Maybe Moyes would have done better if he was backed in the market like that angry bloke with the stats sheet has been.

He's playing 3-1-6 formations mate, there's not a lot to be confident about atm.

Oh man we all expect this kind of nonsense from the likes of Dessy but I really expect a more considered opinion from you .

I just can't for the life of me why people keep referring back to Moyes as if he was hard done by and I keep seeing how Moyes never got the backing Van Gaal had. Well for starters he spent 70 million on two players whilst Van Gaal has spent 150 million on five permanent deals (not including Valdes or Falcao for obvious reasons)

That Van Gaal actually got some deals done despite having much less time with the squad whereas Moyes spent all summer faffing about trying to get someone everyone new we had no chance of buying looks far worse on Moyes to me. The pursuit of Fabregas, overpaying the release clause on Fellaini and the Herrera saga all show he would have been backed if not for his own incompetence. Not to mention the fact that of all our recent forays into the market Mata was by far the most illogical and just downright unnecessary.

Van Gaal as also had to deal with the forced departures of Giggs, Evra and Vidic whilst selling or loaning out other members of the squad. Moyes had perfect stability when he came here. Of course it's going to be difficult when you are changing a style of play and incorporating 5 or so players into the first team. That our best run this year came when all the new signings were out says as much.

That Moyes changed very little tactically or in terms of personnel whilst dragging us down to 7th says everything about his unsuitability for the job. What's more we may be on the same amount of wins but we have more points than last year, are higher in the table and aren't being swatted away by any team above mid table with ease.

All that said is not really a defense of Van Gaal who I'm disappointed with.

I'm sick Of Falcao and RVP starting whenever fit.
I'm sick of Rooney in midfield
I'm sick of Herrera not starting.
I'm sick of the dull possession football leading nowhere.
I'm sick of Di Maria being played anywhere but where he proved world class for real.

none of that compares to how sick I was of that coward making excuses for his ineptitude whilst saying we should 'aspire to be like city' or 'Liverpool are favourites' at OT. No matter what Van Gaal does Moyes was the most justified sacking in the history of everything everywhere.

I don't was us to get rid of Van Gaal, top 4 or not. There are mitigating factors but more importantly he's actually managing and doing what he believes rather than dithering and then blaming everyone but himself. If we get rid we are back to square one. Lets see how he does with a full pre season and time to really shape the squad in his image. If next year is as bad then his time will have run out.

 

[G-Dragon]

Oh man we all expect this kind of nonsense from the likes of Dessy but I really expect a more considered opinion from you .

I just can't for the life of me why people keep referring back to Moyes as if he was hard done by and I keep seeing how Moyes never got the backing Van Gaal had. Well for starters he spent 70 million on two players whilst Van Gaal has spent 150 million on five permanent deals (not including Valdes or Falcao for obvious reasons)

That Van Gaal actually got some deals done despite having much less time with the squad whereas Moyes spent all summer faffing about trying to get someone everyone new we had no chance of buying looks far worse on Moyes to me. The pursuit of Fabregas, overpaying the release clause on Fellaini and the Herrera saga all show he would have been backed if not for his own incompetence. Not to mention the fact that of all our recent forays into the market Mata was by far the most illogical and just downright unnecessary.

Van Gaal as also had to deal with the forced departures of Giggs, Evra and Vidic whilst selling or loaning out other members of the squad. Moyes had perfect stability when he came here. Of course it's going to be difficult when you are changing a style of play and incorporating 5 or so players into the first team. That our best run this year came when all the new signings were out says as much.

That Moyes changed very little tactically or in terms of personnel whilst dragging us down to 7th says everything about his unsuitability for the job. What's more we may be on the same amount of wins but we have more points than last year, are higher in the table and aren't being swatted away by any team above mid table with ease.

All that said is not really a defense of Van Gaal who I'm disappointed with.

I'm sick Of Falcao and RVP starting whenever fit.
I'm sick of Rooney in midfield
I'm sick of Herrera not starting.
I'm sick of the dull possession football leading nowhere.
I'm sick of Di Maria being played anywhere but where he proved world class for real.

none of that compares to how sick I was of that coward making excuses for his ineptitude whilst saying we should 'aspire to be like city' or 'Liverpool are favourites' at OT. No matter what Van Gaal does Moyes was the most justified sacking in the history of everything everywhere.

I don't was us to get rid of Van Gaal, top 4 or not. There are mitigating factors but more importantly he's actually managing and doing what he believes rather than dithering and then blaming everyone but himself. If we get rid we are back to square one. Lets see how he does with a full pre season and time to really shape the squad in his image. If next year is as bad then his time will have run out.

I think you have to take Falcao into account when talking about how much he has spent, his wages are no joke. Also the most justified sacking award has to go to WOY!

 

[silkyman]

Alan Ball?

 

[Millersfan]

What has Herrera actually done wrong?

If I was Van Gaal:

De Gea

Rafael
Jones
Rojo
Shaw

Carrick
Herrera

Januzaj
Mata
Di Maria

Rooney

Well balanced team with pace out wide and players in proper positions.

 

[Mr. Scruff]

Na I dont think so. It's only a year and it's easlily offset by the departures of Vidic, RIo,, Evra, Welbeck, Hernandez etc. I didnt want to included him because it would make it 6 players for 160 million (give or take) but he's only here for a year on that fee. Valdes hasn't played yet so didnt include him either.

The point was that he had real departures to fill which taking into account he hasn' t spent significantly more than Moyes and looking at it per player has spent less even despite the ridiculous Di Maria fee.

 

[thespus]

Van Gaal has been an effective manager in the past, but he's an arrogant, stubborn twat—always has been. It works in his advantage on occasion, but I don't think so here. Falcao shouldn't be seeing the pitch at this rate. He's an excellent poacher, but United don't have the required build-up for this and he's forced to withdraw into areas of the pitch where his limitations are exploited. RvP looks well past it. Rooney could play in the midfield when he was younger, but I think those days are past.

 

[thespus]

Januzaj in a starting XI? He should be out on loan. He hasn't had an impressive performance in a year it seems.

 

[G-Dragon]

I agree Van Gaal keeping Rooney in midfield is a joke, especially when your other forwards are misfiring. Also, Januzaj hasn't lived up to his hype, look how far sterling has come and they both came into the scene around the same time. Even now young players like Ibe, Mason, Kane are delivering on the pitch.

 

[Bilbo]

To be fair, in the last couple of games Januzaj performed decently considering the quality on offer.

 

[Stevencc]

I agree Van Gaal keeping Rooney in midfield is a joke, especially when your other forwards are misfiring. Also, Januzaj hasn't lived up to his hype, look how far sterling has come and they both came into the scene around the same time. Even now young players like Ibe, Mason, Kane are delivering on the pitch.

You are right to point to the disparity between how much Sterling has progressed compared to Januzaj. I'm sure if Januzaj played as often as Sterling does he would have progressed a lot more than he has managed so far though. Thespus is right, he should have been loaned out this season.

 

[Nilsson]

I'm sick Of Falcao and RVP starting whenever fit.

I'd be happy with one of them starting alongside pace of James Wilson that gives Di Maria and co. space to play, but playing them together is mental, no mobility whatsoever.

Van Gaal praised Herrera after his performance last night so hopefully that keeps him in the side, he offers far more than Rooney could in midfield.

 

[G.B]

Oh man we all expect this kind of nonsense from the likes of Dessy but I really expect a more considered opinion from you .

I just can't for the life of me why people keep referring back to Moyes as if he was hard done by and I keep seeing how Moyes never got the backing Van Gaal had. Well for starters he spent 70 million on two players whilst Van Gaal has spent 150 million on five permanent deals (not including Valdes or Falcao for obvious reasons)

That Van Gaal actually got some deals done despite having much less time with the squad whereas Moyes spent all summer faffing about trying to get someone everyone new we had no chance of buying looks far worse on Moyes to me. The pursuit of Fabregas, overpaying the release clause on Fellaini and the Herrera saga all show he would have been backed if not for his own incompetence. Not to mention the fact that of all our recent forays into the market Mata was by far the most illogical and just downright unnecessary.

Van Gaal as also had to deal with the forced departures of Giggs, Evra and Vidic whilst selling or loaning out other members of the squad. Moyes had perfect stability when he came here. Of course it's going to be difficult when you are changing a style of play and incorporating 5 or so players into the first team. That our best run this year came when all the new signings were out says as much.

That Moyes changed very little tactically or in terms of personnel whilst dragging us down to 7th says everything about his unsuitability for the job. What's more we may be on the same amount of wins but we have more points than last year, are higher in the table and aren't being swatted away by any team above mid table with ease.

All that said is not really a defense of Van Gaal who I'm disappointed with.

I'm sick Of Falcao and RVP starting whenever fit.
I'm sick of Rooney in midfield
I'm sick of Herrera not starting.
I'm sick of the dull possession football leading nowhere.
I'm sick of Di Maria being played anywhere but where he proved world class for real.

none of that compares to how sick I was of that coward making excuses for his ineptitude whilst saying we should 'aspire to be like city' or 'Liverpool are favourites' at OT. No matter what Van Gaal does Moyes was the most justified sacking in the history of everything everywhere.

I don't was us to get rid of Van Gaal, top 4 or not. There are mitigating factors but more importantly he's actually managing and doing what he believes rather than dithering and then blaming everyone but himself. If we get rid we are back to square one. Lets see how he does with a full pre season and time to really shape the squad in his image. If next year is as bad then his time will have run out.

omnomnom

 

[Master D]

Wayne Rooney is simply too slow, clumpy and lead footed to play in midfield. He turns like a cruise liner.