2016/17 National League North

[DarkSithLord]

Nottingham Forest Under 23`s game has been called off tonight at the Impact. Still no frost is forecast tonight so I think tomorrow should go ahead.

 

[Fyldefan]

We've just signed Kristian Scott from Nuneaton. Young midfielder. Ant Nuneaton fans on here or anybody know anything about him?

 

[Darlofan97]

I think Curzon will give darlo a good run for their money on sat. Wish i could go having done both feethams and the arena but moving flat.

Should fire out lot up to play at a packed ground and good crowd, plus we looked back to our nov/dec best last week having added Warburton. Think we will grab something herr.

With all due respect, with the comment "a run for their money", I would say we have around a mid-table budget. Certainly not to the levels of Kidderminster, Fylde, Nuneaton, Stockport, Harrogate, Salford, Halifax etc. We pay our players - as an average - around £250 p/w. Obviously some will be on a little more (£300 p/w), but some less (£150 p/w-£200 p/w).

In fact, Boston recently signed Richard Brodie who turned us down for more money there.

Obviously if you also take in to account Alfreton (18th) playing players like Adam Smith £300 p/w then you can see how even clubs that aren't pushing at the top can pay a decent wedge. Hearn, Monkhouse, Westcarr etc will not be on peanuts either.

I am in no way denying that our budget is bigger than Curzon's but I don't actually think others realise that we don't pay really good money, we really can't afford too!

 

[Harrier94]

With all due respect, with the comment "a run for their money", I would say we have around a mid-table budget. Certainly not to the levels of Kidderminster, Fylde, Nuneaton, Stockport, Harrogate, Salford, Halifax etc. We pay our players - as an average - around £250 p/w. Obviously some will be on a little more (£300 p/w), but some less (£150 p/w-£200 p/w).

In fact, Boston recently signed Richard Brodie who turned us down for more money there.

Obviously if you also take in to account Alfreton (18th) playing players like Adam Smith £300 p/w then you can see how even clubs that aren't pushing at the top can pay a decent wedge. Hearn, Monkhouse, Westcarr etc will not be on peanuts either.

I am in no way denying that our budget is bigger than Curzon's but I don't actually think others realise that we don't pay really good money, we really can't afford too!

Where's our high budget come from? Our team is full of youngsters on cheap. According to our chairman he thinks our budget is about the 10th highest. For example when we played Ebbsfleet the entire wage of our 11 was around £3300 a week. Ebbsfleet's Danny Kedwell is on £2000. We're not up there with the budgets of Fylde etc.

 

[Darlofan97]

Where's our high budget come from? Our team is full of youngsters on cheap. According to our chairman he thinks our budget is about the 10th highest. For example when we played Ebbsfleet the entire wage of our 11 was around £3300 a week. Ebbsfleet's Danny Kedwell is on £2000. We're not up there with the budgets of Fylde etc.

Back in September one of your fans on here claimed that Kidderminster were operating on a budget of around £300k, with it being sustained by revenue through Birmingham College, previous transfer fees, sell-ons etc.

That sounds about right for a full-time side paying, on average, £400 p/w? It would also explain why your squad is so young, as older professionals would be looking at around £600+ p/w in order for it be feasible to not play part-time + earn income through a profession. It is likely that a number of your squad have been released from set-ups higher up, and a couple of older pro's towards the back-end of their full-time career from the area that can't get a gig in the National League?

Not at the level of Fylde's budget but certainly higher than ours, it would not be feasible for us to be full-time in our current set-up as the players would be massively worse-off financially.

 

[Harrier94]

Back in September one of your fans on here claimed that Kidderminster were operating on a budget of around £300k, with it being sustained by revenue through Birmingham College, previous transfer fees, sell-ons etc.

That sounds about right for a full-time side paying, on average, £400 p/w? It would also explain why your squad is so young, as older professionals would be looking at around £600+ p/w in order for it be feasible to not play part-time + earn income through a profession. It is likely that a number of your squad have been released from set-ups higher up, and a couple of older pro's towards the back-end of their full-time career from the area that can't get a gig in the National League?

Not at the level of Fylde's budget but certainly higher than ours, it would not be feasible for us to be full-time in our current set-up as the players would be massively worse-off financially.

Basically summed it up. We've signed Carter, Brown, Croasdale and a couple of others on a free from being released. Then we've got people like McQuilkin, Thomas and Lowe who are reaching the end of their careers although I think both Lowe and McQuilkin would still do a job at that level. Then we've got academy players or youngsters we've picked up from the lower leagues. And finally we have Gnahoua and Ngwatala who we've picked up from France and Spain.

Think most players will be on around £2-300 p/w with the experienced one's on slightly more.

 

[Fyldefan]

No idea what our budget is. It's obviously extremely high because everyone seems to know about it apart from the fylde fans. Danny Rowe is our highest paid player (and rightly so) and he isn't being paid anywhere near as much as the Ebbsfleet player. It's easy to throw the 'fylde's budget' comment in our direction and I have no doubt we will have the top budget in the league but the amount of people on various forums that claim to know how much certain players at our club are on, is laughable. I know for a fact what Danny Rowe is on and that he's on our top earner.

We have spent big this year, no two ways about it but we've done extremely well the past 2 seasons when I don't believe we've spent what other clubs in our division have. We've spent big on players and also on our stadium and we are reaping the rewards with the attendances. Contrary to belief this hasn't always been the case though. Our chairman will only spend money on players that he thinks he's getting value for. He doesn't throw money at anybody and we've had many successful seasons when we've hardly brought it anyone. Many clubs in this division spend big but we are the only ones that get tarnished with that brush. We have lost players in the past because we refuse to pay them what other clubs will. Harry Winter that went to Chorley from us wanted more money, we wasn't prepared to pay him what Chorley were as he would of been our highest paid player. Again these are facts and I'm not trying to criticise Chorley or be in denial about our spending power but there's a lot of clubs in our division that spend big

 

[Darlofan97]

No idea what our budget is. It's obviously extremely high because everyone seems to know about it apart from the fylde fans. Danny Rowe is our highest paid player (and rightly so) and he isn't being paid anywhere near as much as the Ebbsfleet player. It's easy to throw the 'fylde's budget' comment in our direction and I have no doubt we will have the top budget in the league but the amount of people on various forums that claim to know how much certain players at our club are on, is laughable. I know for a fact what Danny Rowe is on and that he's on our top earner.

We have spent big this year, no two ways about it but we've done extremely well the past 2 seasons when I don't believe we've spent what other clubs in our division have. We've spent big on players and also on our stadium and we are reaping the rewards with the attendances. Contrary to belief this hasn't always been the case though. Our chairman will only spend money on players that he thinks he's getting value for. He doesn't throw money at anybody and we've had many successful seasons when we've hardly brought it anyone. Many clubs in this division spend big but we are the only ones that get tarnished with that brush. We have lost players in the past because we refuse to pay them what other clubs will. Harry Winter that went to Chorley from us wanted more money, we wasn't prepared to pay him what Chorley were as he would of been our highest paid player. Again these are facts and I'm not trying to criticise Chorley or be in denial about our spending power but there's a lot of clubs in our division that spend big

With all due respect, you have mentioned that Danny Rowe isn't getting paid anywhere near the Ebbsfleet players' wage (£2,000 p/w), but even if it is just half that amount it is still obsence amounts of money at this level of football.

You have also mentioned that Harry Winter left Fylde to sign for Chorley for more money, but that was over 2 & a half years ago now (Summer 2014). I'm unsure of your investment levels on the playing staff back then but they seem to be pretty high now.

Obviously the Dan Bradley signing will also raise questions / interest, rumoured to be around £75k? If you were to put that fee in to context at this level that is 20% of our turnover before you take in to account wages / bonuses.

I'm not having a dig at all. I wish Fylde all the very best. You clearly have a Chairman willing to invest both on and off the pitch. Fylde will, deservedly, win the league this season.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

I just said that as a meaning we shall give you a tough game than a reflection of your budget.

Pretty much everyone has a bigger budget than ours anyway.

 

[Fyldefan]

Darlofan97 - you make some really good points and on reflection having read back what id written it doesn't read how I meant it to. I'm not having a go at any other team in our league and I'm not deluded as to what we spend.

To the Kidderminster fan, I am extremely surprised though if most of your players that are full time are earning £200/£300 a week. That can't be right surely

 

[DarkSithLord]

With all due respect, with the comment "a run for their money", I would say we have around a mid-table budget. Certainly not to the levels of Kidderminster, Fylde, Nuneaton, Stockport, Harrogate, Salford, Halifax etc. We pay our players - as an average - around £250 p/w. Obviously some will be on a little more (£300 p/w), but some less (£150 p/w-£200 p/w).

In fact, Boston recently signed Richard Brodie who turned us down for more money there.

Obviously if you also take in to account Alfreton (18th) playing players like Adam Smith £300 p/w then you can see how even clubs that aren't pushing at the top can pay a decent wedge. Hearn, Monkhouse, Westcarr etc will not be on peanuts either.

I am in no way denying that our budget is bigger than Curzon's but I don't actually think others realise that we don't pay really good money, we really can't afford too!

In fact it was confirmed in the recent court case that we are paying Adam Smith £350 a week!

 

[Harrier94]

Darlofan97 - you make some really good points and on reflection having read back what id written it doesn't read how I meant it to. I'm not having a go at any other team in our league and I'm not deluded as to what we spend.

To the Kidderminster fan, I am extremely surprised though if most of your players that are full time are earning £200/£300 a week. That can't be right surely

Most of our team are young players or academy players. Yes we have the odd more experienced players who earn more but I'd say most do earn around that.

 

[genesimmons]

In fact it was confirmed in the recent court case that we are paying Adam Smith £350 a week!

Derbyshire times said that. Surely that cant be right. If that was wages for a bottom half conf north team i dread to think what a top team are paying

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[genesimmons]

Never mind conf north teams rumours theres northern league step 5 players on 200 quid a week. Bit barmy considering they aint paying that for promotion

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[DarkSithLord]

Wayne Bradley ‏@waynebradwayne 1h1 hour ago
@alfretontownfc have a pitch inspection re today's @TheNationalLge fixture The groundsman is hopeful of a positive outcome More news later

Judging by that I doubt todays game will go ahead.

 

[B2TF]

You should sort that out.

 

[HG Yellow&Black]

From a chat with an opposing teams scout earlier this season he put fylde on a 20k a week budget. Nearly double the next biggest wages.
His words and again speculation but perhaps a little closer to mere fan based chat.
Daniels from us lot would not have been cheap and on a 3 year full time deal. Chuck in existing high earners, the Bradley deal and a few more additional signings any time they have looked to faltering and I would think that 20k shout is not too far from being right.
In a division of a few stupid wages vs revenue (town very much included) it will be welcome to see them go up. Especially when you factor in things like spend per fan with the stadium. All hopefully to keep the disgruntled blackpool fans locked down. Has been great to see the rise in attendances there this season and a great welcoming pint in hand watching football new ground but can't help but feel given the amount of clubs in that area vs populous it will be a struggle to keep the momentum once the oystons are eventually run out of Blackpool. Hopefully also get to see Fylde at there best when they visit town soon as was quite underwhelmed by them when we played there in October. Was expecting a mauling that never came.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Alfreton v Brackley called off. Waterlogged pitch.

 

[Pliny Harris]

Got to love the monthly budget discussions.

As a rule of thumb, if you support one of the most obscenely bankrolled clubs in your league's entire history, you've got a budget that would rank you "about 4th or 5th". The ones competing slightly below that have an "average" budget, or maybe slightly above. The "proof" will usually be that a year or so ago, one of your players left for more money at [kitchen sink club], or went to [kitchen sink club] instead of you because they were offering more money, as if a single valuation for a journeyman can be extrapolated across the 25–40 or so players we all get through each season.

I miss the Non-League Forum sometimes for its rules, among which you had to count an away following by marking each head in a photo of the crowd with a red pen; you had to mix up Solihull and Vauxhall as the Motors/Moors respectively; any fan who expected running water at an away ground was "arrogant", etc etc it went on for about 100 similar rules. Downplaying your team budget is one of those cardinal rules, imo.

 

[David Curries Mullet]

I just said that as a meaning we shall give you a tough game than a reflection of your budget.

Pretty much everyone has a bigger budget than ours anyway.

Thats how i read it. Not sure why DF's so touchy about our budget. Got a feeling you might get something today.

 

[HG Yellow&Black]

Well we are obscenely bankrolled and DO HAVE a budget that is around the 3rd to 5th in tge division but hay ho.
You missed the one about a tin pot ex football club that went bust whose fans some of which have wonderfully ridiculous and laugjable illusions of grandeur for a club formed in 2008.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Curzon 1-0 up at Darlo (Ryan Hall)

 

[DarkSithLord]

Lol Darlington 0-3 Curzon

 

[eightiesrobin]

Fylde 4 Alty 1, standard.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Harrogate`s bunch of twats lost at home to Gainsborough.

Next weeks game v Gainsborough is the biggest since Welling in the conference.

 

[genesimmons]

See a northern echo reporter (that's the darlo rag) was disappointed crowds are falling. What do they expect in conference north a packed ground every week

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[B2TF]

Well, I think all of us there today can agree, that was a Football League match we just watched, but what would you expect when 2 Football League clubs face up to each other.

 

[Darlofan97]

Maybe we should have learnt after the first goal, or the second, or the third. All scored on the counter. Curzon were just ruthless in both boxes, we were so, so poor defensively.

Some individuals need to take the blame, however they aren't aided by the fact we commit so many bodies forward at throw-ins / free-kicks. It's tactical naivety at doesn't work at a higher standard.

 

[B2TF]

Well we are obscenely bankrolled and DO HAVE a budget that is around the 3rd to 5th in tge division but hay ho.
You missed the one about a tin pot ex football club that went bust whose fans some of which have wonderfully ridiculous and laugjable illusions of grandeur for a club formed in 2008.

Are you still pretending Harrogate is a real football club in a real football town? Go get me a pot of tea for 4 please oh and can you cut my sandwich into those little triangles you do. I'll have a cream bun too please. Get it right this time and there's a big fat tip for you.

 

[Sparrow]

Kidderminster's players are all postmen and milkmen, who play merely for the love of the game.