Match Day Chelsea v Man City - FA Cup Fifth Round

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Good win but that was an utterly preposterous team selection from City. Turned what should have been a decent contest into a total walkover. Very disappointing.
 

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Good win but that was an utterly preposterous team selection from City. Turned what should have been a decent contest into a total walkover. Very disappointing.

Riddled with injuries, having to cart off to Kiev on for Wednesday ahead of a cup final on Sunday. Victims of their own success, but I can buy that something had to give.

To be honest, I was impressed with the youngsters. It was the seniors, and in particular the 'keeper, who let the side down. Would have been interested to see the same game with Kompany and Hart instead of Willy C and MDM.

The lad at the back, Adarabioyo, looked a decent defender, but his distribution needs a bit of polishing. I'd have liked to have seen Kompany given a run out just to get a few more minutes into his legs.

And it was nice to see three mancunian born lads in the side at the end, if nothing else.
 

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It's just funny how these young players haven't been given a chance throughout the season and have been used here as a measure to rest players for what are percieved as bigger games. When those bigger games come they'll be back in the reserves, including the three manc lads.
 

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Nothing unusual about that though really is there?
Let's be honest the likes of Love and Borthwick-Jackson would have been used in the exact same way had it not been for injuries and absolute shite transfer decisions.
 

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Nothing unusual about that though really is there?
Let's be honest the likes of Love and Borthwick-Jackson would have been used in the exact same way had it not been for injuries and absolute shite transfer decisions.

But these players have remained in the side after their chance, no matter how it came about. There's also been a fuckton more youth players in the side than Love and CBJ.
 

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I know, but those along with Keane and Blackett for example would not have seen time this season if it weren't for the reasons mentioned I reckon. Players like Lingard and McNair probably would, the former has done his time on loan and the latter seems to have done enough for Van Gaal to give him a shot when needed.
Iheanacho is the City candidate that's being given a decent run without it looking like desperation. Celina might get some gametime. But to be fair their other youngsters are out on loan except the one that cost £50million.
 

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Very predictable mauling in the media for City today.

A particularly brainless example from Simon Hattenstone in the Gruniad who was complaining that it was a rip off for the fans who traveled expecting to see the senior side on display. (Simon... Mate.... This had been common knowledge since the TV games were announced fella. It was in your own paper. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/05/manuel-pellegrini-manchester-city-chelsea See.)

Didn't Hull Arsenal and Liverpool make about 30 changes between them too?
 

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  1. an irrational and obsessive feeling or fear that one is the object of collective hostility or ill-treatment on the part of others.
 

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persecution complex
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  1. an irrational and obsessive feeling or fear that one is the object of collective hostility or ill-treatment on the part of others.

It's also worth noting that Hull, Liverpool and Arsenal haven't spent half of what City has combined.
 

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It's also worth noting that Hull, Liverpool and Arsenal haven't spent half of what City has combined.

I'll sit and wait for you to explain how that is relevant. Please use injuries and rules capping squad size in your working.
 

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You've got a weak squad for the mental money you have spent and you don't allow your youngsters any games to give your first team players a break. Also, under 21 players are exempt from registration. So, perhaps if you'd invested some of that ridiculous money into some quality, young players in which you could play then your squad wouldn't look embarrassingly thin.

Hope your wait was pleasant.
 

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Man City's squad is that strong a "weakened" side really isn't that weak, but instead they decide to choose an XI littered with infants. That was their choice, let's not pretend they were forced into doing so. And let's not pretend they're ravaged by injuries either, de Bruyne is the only player that is currently out who would make the first team.

I have no issue with fielding a few youngsters, but six is far too much. Three or four is just about right. Why couldn't they go:

Caballero

Zabaleta
Demichelis
Adarabayo
Clichy

Sterling
Fernando
Fernandinho
Kolarov

Faupala
Iheanachio

against Chelsea? That's a decent mix and although Kolarov in midfield is not ideal, it adds a bit more experience. If needs be Garcia could start in place of Fernando or Fernandinho. Three of Fernando, Fernandinho, Sterling and Kolarov can be subbed off at the 70 minute point with one eye on the Champions League game in Kiev, where you can field:

Hart

Zabaleta
Otamendi
Kompany
Clichy

Fernando
Fernandinho

Silva
Toure
Sterling

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de Bruyne is the only player that is currently out who would make the first team.

Well, apart from that actually being, essentially, bollocks*, isn't that kind of the point?

There's the first team, who are in the main fit, and then squad players and there are injuries to a combination of the two. So either it's pushed one of the perceived second tier into a top spot and needed for the next two games, leaving a gap or it's the second tier player who is out. And if you are going all out to protect the players who will feature tomorrow and/or Sunday, then why bother going half arsed.

*Delph, Sagna, Mangala, Nasri, Navas, Bony and KDB would all be in either the first choice or first reserve places so would either have been in the 'rested' group or would have played ahead of one of the younger players.
 

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You've got a weak squad for the mental money you have spent and you don't allow your youngsters any games to give your first team players a break. Also, under 21 players are exempt from registration. So, perhaps if you'd invested some of that ridiculous money into some quality, young players in which you could play then your squad wouldn't look embarrassingly thin.

Hope your wait was pleasant.

So City should have hoovered up every talented U21 in the country and stuffed them in the reserves on the off-chance that they had an injury crisis and a fixture backlog at the same time?

You'd have exploded in a mental rage of fury.

And yes. It would have been beneficial for some of these lads to have had a bit more game time here and there earlier in the season. I agree with that. I'm pleased to see a couple of them are in the squad for tomorrow night.
 

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So City should have hoovered up every talented U21 in the country and stuffed them in the reserves on the off-chance that they had an injury crisis and a fixture backlog at the same time?

You'd have exploded in a mental rage of fury.

And yes. It would have been beneficial for some of these lads to have had a bit more game time here and there earlier in the season. I agree with that. I'm pleased to see a couple of them are in the squad for tomorrow night.

The under 21 rule also applies to foreign nationals. You already had an English national in Roberts but you loaned him out half way through the season.

If you keep playing the same team for every game then injuries will accumulate, it's not that hard to foresee.
 

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Your point, caller? You didn't really impart anything additional or relevent there.
 

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Your point, caller? You didn't really impart anything additional or relevent there.

Well, clearing up this difference between 'the country' and every country is quite a big distinction to point out, don't you think? Therefore, additional information has been weighted and the relevancy of my initial point has been made clearer for you. You're welcome.
 

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No, it was utterly redundant.

The nationality of the players doesn't matter. It's whether you really think City should have signed a truckload of 20 year olds, just in case of a very specific situation. And as you well know, you'd be wanking into a sock of injustice about how disgusting it was that they were killing these careers by stockpiling them, if they had done that, anyway.
 

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You're confusing what you believe my reaction would be with what's practical for City. That's the ol' chip on your shoulder defying logic and reason.

The truth is City would have benefited from the use of fringe or squad rotational players as to avoid an injury pile-up.
 

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I've never argued against that. They should have introduced some of the young lads earlier. What's that got to do with money? They already have players.
 

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