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What on earth does "elite" status even mean in the NL FFS? It's non-league football whether the ex league sides like it or not. Drop elite status, allow fans back in. Despite all the cock waving, there is no way any club in the NL can afford to cover their costs without supporters. Assuming streaming services will compensate is nonsense. Do they all have sugar daddies willing to bankroll?
Letting fans in ain’t gonna happen in the foreseeable.The public have been told to distance and avoid gathering- let’s face it ,football crowds are the worst possible example of unruly assembly .
It’s streaming or bust.Make the most of it, or sink
 

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Letting fans in ain’t gonna happen in the foreseeable.The public have been told to distance and avoid gathering- let’s face it ,football crowds are the worst possible example of unruly assembly .
It’s streaming or bust.Make the most of it, or sink
Our manager said a couple of days ago that he'd spoken to a number of representatives of other NL clubs and they'd all said that streaming income doesn't come anywhere near enough to cover costs and keep them afloat.
 

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BBC’s Dan Roan says he’s expecting them to announce the season starts as planned on 3 October, but no idea if this applies to all three divisions.
 

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Hearing that the National League is poised to say the new season will commence on Oct 3rd. Awaiting confirmation. Statement due shortly.
National League North earlier today said most of its clubs didn’t want to start.
 

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Hearing that the National League is poised to say the new season will commence on Oct 3rd. Awaiting confirmation. Statement due shortly.
National League North earlier today said most of its clubs didn’t want to start.
Dan Roan says this implies funding is forthcoming.

I wonder whether this funding will go to step 2 clubs, and whether the NL will expect them to play.
 

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Suggestion of £1m a month, but again unclear whether this applies to all three divisions or how it would be distributed.
 

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Suggestion of £1m a month, but again unclear whether this applies to all three divisions or how it would be distributed.

Where is the funding coming from? Not from the government, apparently.
[/https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54284735
 

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I wonder whether that’s a confusing use of this new ‘elite’ title and he means the PL and other leagues with big TV deals.
 

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You couldn't write this. It's actually embarrassing.

Clubs both PT and FT are repeatedly let down by the dinosaurs running the show.
 

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National League Statement: there is no statement. 9 days until kick off and still no idea what is happening. Surely they’ve had all summer to get contingencies in place for this exact situation? Also feel for teams in the NLN/NLS, FA cup draw made tomorrow...
 

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Our CEO has just done an interview with the BBC based on the league resuming next week.

So what is the truth?
 

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Our CEO has just done an interview with the BBC based on the league resuming next week.

So what is the truth?
National News I'm hearing?

Wrexham with their new owners, yet it's the Hatters who still top of the box office billing.
 

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Depends whether they think the hassle of not doing so is worth it, drop in the ocean at the minute.
 

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Is there any evidence the government are prepared to provide funding? I've only seen the opposite.

Wouldn't surprise me if the NL haven't spoken to them and are just guessing. That would fall into line with their usual behaviour.
A lot of people seem to be putting all their hopes into that and thinking that streaming games will bring in enough money.

I know at Maidstone the idea for streaming was originally for the people who couldn't get a ticket due to low capacity limit or people who didn't want to risk it due to covid. I think a lot of clubs are gonna be disappointed when they realise not even half their fanbase will pay to watch a stream.
 

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Solihull are the latest club to come out now saying they want a restart on Oct 3 regardless, adding to Notts, Maidenhead and Boreham Wood.

Any others come out that I’ve missed?
We are happy to start on Oct 3 according to Keates last night. I actually think players at this level are absolutely desperate to play by this point, just to ward off the boredom if nothing else. They'll have not played a meaningful match for 7 months.
 

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Letting fans in ain’t gonna happen in the foreseeable.The public have been told to distance and avoid gathering- let’s face it ,football crowds are the worst possible example of unruly assembly .
It’s streaming or bust.Make the most of it, or sink

I‘m still astonished that football as a whole is just going to take ‘no fans for 6 months’ without a word of fucking formal protest. The situation is a
joke. Pubs and gyms, but no football?? Fuck off.

Notts are waving our nobs around because thank fuck for once we currently happen to have decent owners, but if some of the clowns of the past few years were in charge we’d be fucked, and talk of ‘streaming’ saving us would be rightfully laughed at.

People are raging at the NL, but what are they supposed to do, what actual solution suits everyone from us down to I dunno the smallest team in the NLN? Anyone pinning their hopes on a Tory government bailing out non league football might as well pray for a squadron load of space aliens to come zooming down with 5 pound notes sticking out of their arses. Not going to happen.
 

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The Sports Minister confirmed in Parliament that elite sport status extends to NLN & NLS. Ridiculous.
 

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The Sports Minister confirmed in Parliament that elite sport status extends to NLN & NLS. Ridiculous.
Not at all, cock-waving chairmen at certain clubs asked for Elite status, and got it. I didn’t hear much dissent at the time from supporters, or indeed, other clubs unaffected by play-offs.
 

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Not at all, cock-waving chairmen at certain clubs asked for Elite status, and got it. I didn’t hear much dissent at the time from supporters, or indeed, other clubs unaffected by play-offs.
Why would they? It's an arbitrary tag that allowed the league to have play-offs - how could anyone expect that the same arbitrary tag would be used against them when it came to starting the season?
 

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If it's the government that are going to stump up money to get National League seasons going, I'm sure that League 1 and 2 must have some thoughts on that! Are they also getting a similar package?

By the way, streaming makes you absolutely fuck all. Some clubs will probably even make a loss on it.
 

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I think the FA Cup draw is today that the north/south teams are in
maybe that will focus some minds?
 

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What on earth does "elite" status even mean in the NL FFS? It's non-league football whether the ex league sides like it or not. Drop elite status, allow fans back in. Despite all the cock waving, there is no way any club in the NL can afford to cover their costs without supporters. Assuming streaming services will compensate is nonsense. Do they all have sugar daddies willing to bankroll?
Doesn't the 'elite' tag basically mean that the footballer at that level derive some form of liveable income from playing?
 

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Doesn't the 'elite' tag basically mean that the footballer at that level derive some form of liveable income from playing?
In short, the elite vs non-elite distinction is nonsense and shows a lack of understanding by the government about how league pyramids across competitive sport actually work.

The government criteria says "derive a living" but where do you draw a line with this? At a certain weekly wage point? At full time v part time? At semi-pro v amateur? It's totally unclear so the government have left it up to the FA, who have been awkward and obstructive throughout the whole process.

The distinction initially seemed to be about deciding which clubs could afford testing and which couldn't, but now it's being reapplied by the same government who think that elite clubs can't play because they'll attract too many people to grounds who don't necessarily have tickets. These are two entirely different things, but the government don't seem to care.
 

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Why would they? It's an arbitrary tag that allowed the league to have play-offs - how could anyone expect that the same arbitrary tag would be used against them when it came to starting the season?
Basically this, I don't understand the raft of people on Twitter targeting York and Havant and insisting this is some kind of just desserts for them. There is no way they could have forecast that this would happen.
 

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People are raging at the NL, but what are they supposed to do, what actual solution suits everyone from us down to I dunno the smallest team in the NLN? Anyone pinning their hopes on a Tory government bailing out non league football might as well pray for a squadron load of space aliens to come zooming down with 5 pound notes sticking out of their arses. Not going to happen.
The NL are meant to advocate for clubs, that's literally part of their remit. No shortage of lobby groups for the hospitality industry pressuring the government all the time but throughout all of this the FA and NL have been remarkably timid.
 

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