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Realistically, there's about 8-10 clubs who will feel they can get promoted. Unless Carol seriously splurges the wedge, we'll be among the rest in the race to 12th place. Before seeing any signings, I'd take 14th right now. Orient are the benchmark for us...consolidate and then try and push on.

I'm not sure whether we'll ever get to the Championship again. The ambition is certainly there and our crowds are growing steadily but I suspect the spending required is beyond our current owners at this moment in time.

You say that but according to Blackpool fans they couldn't match our wage offer for Byers (and lets face it he didn't come down to little old Port Vale just because he likes Oatcakes and Darren!) so will be interesting to see. We keep a tight ship so no rumours these days which is a bit boring!
 

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The right loan signings can make a huge difference in this division.
Orient have Keeley, Donley and Kelman in on loan who've made a huge difference for them, we've done it before
 

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The right loan signings can make a huge difference in this division.
Orient have Keeley, Donley and Kelman in on loan who've made a huge difference for them, we've done it before
I think it's luck of the draw as to whether they get recalled. Orient have been fortunate but if they're good players that make a difference, they're likely to be recalled in January.
 

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You say that but according to Blackpool fans they couldn't match our wage offer for Byers (and lets face it he didn't come down to little old Port Vale just because he likes Oatcakes and Darren!) so will be interesting to see. We keep a tight ship so no rumours these days which is a bit boring!
It'll definitely be interesting. I guess our signings will tell us our ambitions for the season.

I just feel that to be in the top 5 or 6 in league 1, you've got to throw some serious wedge at it or be very lucky in the loan market(Orient) or happen upon a player who has the season of their lives (Wycombe)....Birmingham, Wrexham, Stockport, Charlton all have massive budgets for that level. Wycombe and Orient I guess are the outliers that we need to target but we'd need some very good fortune.
We had a huge budget for league 2, but that same budget would probably be bottom half in league 1.

Record season ticket sales and average gates which should be pushing 5 figures should help but it remains to be seen whether we just want to survive for a few years or push on. There's always 1 or 2 surprise packages in every division, so let's hope it's us!
 

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leedsvaliant - was it confirmed exactly how large your budget was?
On our podcast the other day, we had two journalists...one is a respected local paper writer Mike Bagguley and BBC Radio Stoke Vale reporter Phil Bowers. They've both had it from separate sources that we were 5th highest in terms of budget but I'm not sure whether that includes some of the transfer fees, which could have been anything up to 750k. Carlisle with the biggest but they had a ridiculous amount of players.

CEO said that our wage bill was between 4 and 5 million. I suspect to be competitive this time around, it would need to be 8-10 million?
 

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It'll definitely be interesting. I guess our signings will tell us our ambitions for the season.

I just feel that to be in the top 5 or 6 in league 1, you've got to throw some serious wedge at it or be very lucky in the loan market(Orient) or happen upon a player who has the season of their lives (Wycombe)....Birmingham, Wrexham, Stockport, Charlton all have massive budgets for that level. Wycombe and Orient I guess are the outliers that we need to target but we'd need some very good fortune.
We had a huge budget for league 2, but that same budget would probably be bottom half in league 1.

Record season ticket sales and average gates which should be pushing 5 figures should help but it remains to be seen whether we just want to survive for a few years or push on. There's always 1 or 2 surprise packages in every division, so let's hope it's us!
I would take the season being over by late March sat in 14th in fairness, we've not had one of those for a long time! As I say though Carol and co are quite private about aims/spend, I don't envision Moore being here "just to survive" but the next step to challenge in this division is the hardest and far harder than it was 10-15 years ago certainly.

The rumour was that Carol was going to come into big money and "go all in" as it was put on OVF... then 2 months later Synectics was sold for a reported £180 million and we go for DM and make those signings so who knows? Either way we are incredibly lucky to have the owners we do and at least I can enjoy the football rather than worrying about off the field!

I would take 14th right now, if DM and Carol would though who knows! Just not to make the catastrophic errors we made last time in the transfer windows would be a start. (looking at you Mr Loft!)
 

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On our podcast the other day, we had two journalists...one is a respected local paper writer Mike Bagguley and BBC Radio Stoke Vale reporter Phil Bowers. They've both had it from separate sources that we were 5th highest in terms of budget but I'm not sure whether that includes some of the transfer fees, which could have been anything up to 750k. Carlisle with the biggest but they had a ridiculous amount of players.

CEO said that our wage bill was between 4 and 5 million. I suspect to be competitive this time around, it would need to be 8-10 million?
That is wage budget, they thought we were 4-5th imagine Carlisle (with their huge squad), MK above... maybe Gills? I suppose it would of been higher but had less wiggle room with so many contracted to get more bodies in which will be added to this term. Transfer fees must have been around £750k on top but these days its all undisclosed so you can never tell.

Mind you every manager in L2 seemed to know our budget as they all seemed to want to bring it up in their post match interview! :lol:
 

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On our podcast the other day, we had two journalists...one is a respected local paper writer Mike Bagguley and BBC Radio Stoke Vale reporter Phil Bowers. They've both had it from separate sources that we were 5th highest in terms of budget but I'm not sure whether that includes some of the transfer fees, which could have been anything up to 750k. Carlisle with the biggest but they had a ridiculous amount of players.

CEO said that our wage bill was between 4 and 5 million. I suspect to be competitive this time around, it would need to be 8-10 million?

Interesting! £4m-£5m isn’t huge budget in L2 these days. Our budget last season (23/24) was £4.2m. Our owner put in £2m this year so our budget this season will have been £5m+.

We’re set to generate circa £12m+ revenue next season (minimum), so I’d expect us to have a decent budget. Certainly not top 7, but it’ll be competitive enough.
 

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Interesting! £4m-£5m isn’t huge budget in L2 these days. Our budget last season (23/24) was £4.2m. Our owner put in £2m this year so our budget this season will have been £5m+.

We’re set to generate circa £12m+ revenue next season (minimum), so I’d expect us to have a decent budget. Certainly not top 7, but it’ll be competitive enough.
£5 million if you base on a 24 man squad is pretty much £4k a week average which is a fairly good wage for L2 (bear in mind a couple would be on significantly more than that and some somewhat less). Add on probably £750k in transfer fees and its probably not far off assuming we spend around 50% of our £12 million expenditure on player wages/transfer fees.
 

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You are up against teams next season who may have 30m plus turnover.....And paying 20k wages
Certainly at least one team
 

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You are up against teams next season who may have 30m plus turnover.....And paying 20k wages
Certainly at least one team
Pretty much always the case at this level, Wolves years back, Sunderland etc. all big budgets hence why those are usually the ones that go up like Birmingham this season!
 

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You are up against teams next season who may have 30m plus turnover.....And paying 20k wages
Certainly at least one team

No different to our last stint in L1 with Wolves, Sheff United, Blackburn, Sunderland, Preston, Bristol City, Millwall etc all spending millions.
 

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Couple of years ago now:

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I really liked the ground, the view from behind the goal is spot on to be honest. Know the pubs in the general vicinity were all home fans only but basically had a couple round Victoria then made my way on the district line from there easy enough. Believe though their matchday prices next season are set to be at the extortionate level (over £30 from memory).
Bonkers if true, do they think they are Birmingham or something?
 

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Bonkers if true, do they think they are Birmingham or something?

From their website. The north stand is their away end so will be same price as the south stand as it’s the equivalent view.

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Are these prices regardless of division?

Not sure but nothing to indicate they’re not.

My prediction is Walsall to win a tight one late on. Wimbledon brilliant defensively but can see them getting stretched on a bigger pitch and Walsall do like to attack from wide areas.
 
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Are AFC made up trying to market themselves as an English St Pauli?

One of their players just threw his boots away that’s not very sustainable
 

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Whoever wins this it's going to be an uphill battle for them going into next season. Not least most other teams will have had jump starts on retained lists etc. Not exactly a classic this.
 

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Wimbledon it is then, another London away day.

Not sure Walsall will recover from this bottlejob for a very long time. No other way of putting it for them.
 

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Wimbledon it is then, another London away day.

Not sure Walsall will recover from this bottlejob for a very long time. No other way of putting it for them.
They pulled a Wycombe - off to a flyer (though they were even more flying than we were) and choked abysmally in the second half. At least they made the final I suppose.

Congratulations to AFCW, least it's not another bloody Northern team.
 

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They pulled a Wycombe - off to a flyer (though they were even more flying than we were) and choked abysmally in the second half. At least they made the final I suppose.

Congratulations to AFCW, least it's not another bloody Northern team.
I think that's an understatement 14/15 points clear of 4th in Mid January to not get promoted is crazy, can't imagine many bigger bottle jobs than that to be fair, did well to recover enough to battle into the final but its a weird one, they lost their star loan striker but they still scored a few, all be it less, oddly the defensive side went downhill at the same time.
 

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I think that's an understatement 14/15 points clear of 4th in Mid January to not get promoted is crazy, can't imagine many bigger bottle jobs than that to be fair, did well to recover enough to battle into the final but its a weird one, they lost their star loan striker but they still scored a few, all be it less, oddly the defensive side went downhill at the same time.
Crewe were second at that point and finished 13th, both proper bottled it
 

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Crewe were second at that point and finished 13th, both proper bottled it
Yeah. Crewe got a bit giddy at one point but their squad depth was awful, as soon as they got a couple of injuries they dropped off massively. They start relying on kids as back up and it just doesn't work in that league.
 

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Crewe were second at that point and finished 13th, both proper bottled it

Yeah they had a few injuries and ended up as bad as Walsall, both lucky they had great starts in a way or they could of been in trouble down the other end!
 

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Yeah. Crewe got a bit giddy at one point but their squad depth was awful, as soon as they got a couple of injuries they dropped off massively. They start relying on kids as back up and it just doesn't work in that league.

They did that the season before when we went up as well, obviously stockport and wrexham had money that no-one else did but we really only got over the line as we’ve not necessarily got the depth but quite a versatile squad - something clough loves.

Crewe is a local trip from manchester but it a pretty uninspiring away day and that away stand is pretty ropey when full
 

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