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Casey

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How is Tony Craig doing?
Played all but one game. Personally think he is a bit slow but he does a good job of organising an inexperienced back four/five.

Just getting an inkling he is playing too deep and dragging our defence back but watching on TV so I may be wrong.

Overall a good signing for us.

Casey
 

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We've had the same thing - we called it "Inside CTFC". I don't think I've seen any of them but they get a good rep on Twitter.
We've got a podcast called The Big Bank Theory. Good dudes.
 

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Our re-arranged game versus carlisle is now april 13th 7pm ko.
 

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Bolton dominating the league next year then
 

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Can we ditch the 22 man squads too, ridiculous in a pandemic when teams are playing so regularly.
 

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Load of bollocks. In what way is it unlawful?
 

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Fantastic news regarding the wage cap.

It wasn’t fair for clubs like Bradford City, Bolton, Sunderland, Portsmouth amongst many others, whose revenue was significantly higher than the wage cap allowed them to spend - whilst still adhering to FFP.

The fact that FFP was never policed correctly in the first place was the primary reason for introducing the wage caps; in the same breathe, punishing clubs like mine into spending the same amount as a club like Harrogate for example - or Sunderland having to spend the same amount as Accrington. Mind boggling and unfair on so many levels.

Wages should be based on a percentage of turnover - and it needs to be policed correctly.
 
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Fantastic news regarding the wage cap.

It wasn’t fair for clubs like Bradford City, Bolton, Sunderland, Portsmouth amongst many others, whose revenue was significantly higher than the wage cap allowed them to spend - whilst still adhering to FFP.

The fact that FFP was never policed correctly in the first place was the primary reason for introducing the wage caps; in the same breathe, punishing clubs like mine into spending the same amount as a club like Harrogate for example - or Sunderland having to spend the same amount as Accrington. Mind boggling and unfair on so many levels.

Wages should be based on a percentage of turnover - and it needs to be policed correctly.
for this season with no fans in it was probably not a bad idea...
 

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Fantastic news regarding the wage cap.

It wasn’t fair for clubs like Bradford City, Bolton, Sunderland, Portsmouth amongst many others, whose revenue was significantly higher than the wage cap allowed them to spend - whilst still adhering to FFP.

The fact that FFP was never policed correctly in the first place was the primary reason for introducing the wage caps; in the same breathe, punishing clubs like mine into spending the same amount as a club like Harrogate for example - or Sunderland having to spend the same amount as Accrington. Mind boggling and unfair on so many levels.

Wages should be based on a percentage of turnover - and it needs to be policed correctly.
As long as clubs who abuse the system are properly punished and limits are set on what they can spend out of their income.
 

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As long as clubs who abuse the system are properly punished and limits are set on what they can spend out of their income.

Exactly.

Adhere to the percentage of turnover set for that particular league (whatever it may be) and it’s fair.

That simple. I think only 2 clubs from our league opposed of the wage cap - obviously we was one of them.

There will be a lot of disgruntled chairman in the lower leagues this afternoon. Love to see it.
 

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We voted against the cap so assume Carol will be happy with that. Felt it stifled the bigger clubs to grow or recover if drop down.

It needs some control. Salford for example but more on club sustainability. Why should a club who have a £4 million turn over only be allowed to spend the same as one with £1.5 million for example.
 

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Exactly.

Adhere to the percentage of turnover set for that particular league (whatever it may be) and it’s fair.

That simple. I think only 2 clubs from our league opposed of the wage cap - obviously we was one of them.

There will be a lot of disgruntled chairman in the lower leagues this afternoon. Love to see it.
As difficult as it might be to believe for some on here Tranmere are under or on the limit. We do not pay big wages. Our squad is 29 players. 4 of them are youth players and 4 more under 21 (5 including loanee Lee O'Connor). No doubt a certain person on here will be consulting his Big Book of Incorrect Facts but it will be a waste of time.
 

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As difficult as it might be to believe for some on here Tranmere are under or on the limit. We do not pay big wages. Our squad is 29 players. 4 of them are youth players and 4 more under 21 (5 including loanee Lee O'Connor). No doubt a certain person on here will be consulting his Big Book of Incorrect Facts but it will be a waste of time.

Son of Cod? Just ignore him.
 

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I dont agree with wage caps or the FFP.

For a start why should a club with more fans be able to spend more than a club with less? If the answer is more fans equals more money coming into the club therefore they have a right to spend it then I will reply..."Our owner is richer than your owner therefore we should be able to spend more than you" *

The amount of money a club should be able to spend should be dependent on the amount of money a club has (legally) coming in not It's source. Why can't a rich person plough cash into their club? And let's all be honest. How many clubs in the football league are propped up by wealthy investors now or in the past? Nearly all I would say.

The problem is not a rich person spending their cash on a football club. It's owners saddling a club with debt in the hope of making money from It's sale or getting an unrealistic return in the future. What I can agree with is there should be a cap on the amount of loans a club can owe to the members of the board/owners etc. Find a way to do that and a lot of the problems, except jealousy, disappear.

Casey

*to be clear I'm not saying Crawley's owners are the wealthiest. I'm just using an example.
 

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Disagree. The less clubs rely on rich owners the more clubs can be run sustainably and ideally owned by their fans. Get the money men out of football for good and it would be better for everyone imo.

If a club gets bigger crowds/bigger income then they should be able to spend more then the clubs with less fans/lower income. Main thing is clubs stay solvent.
 

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This could be good for us should we achieve the unthinkable and actually stay up as I get the impression that our new owners will be much more prepared to shell out and back us in the transfer market than our previous owner Fenty McScrooge.
 

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FFS i have not said anything and the Wally from Wallasey pipes up

Not got a clue what Tranmere have spent, and to be honest i dont really care now jog on
 

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same as this year then ;)
Under a Transfer Embargo This Season.......Ends in May
Happy days
We Cannot bid for your players ....though i doubt we would go shopping at Arkwrights
 

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I dont agree with wage caps or the FFP.

For a start why should a club with more fans be able to spend more than a club with less? If the answer is more fans equals more money coming into the club therefore they have a right to spend it then I will reply..."Our owner is richer than your owner therefore we should be able to spend more than you" *

The amount of money a club should be able to spend should be dependent on the amount of money a club has (legally) coming in not It's source. Why can't a rich person plough cash into their club? And let's all be honest. How many clubs in the football league are propped up by wealthy investors now or in the past? Nearly all I would say.

The problem is not a rich person spending their cash on a football club. It's owners saddling a club with debt in the hope of making money from It's sale or getting an unrealistic return in the future. What I can agree with is there should be a cap on the amount of loans a club can owe to the members of the board/owners etc. Find a way to do that and a lot of the problems, except jealousy, disappear.

Casey

*to be clear I'm not saying Crawley's owners are the wealthiest. I'm just using an example.
I worked for a while on the accounts for FCA regulated entities and they have to adhere to strict rules on capital v monthly overheads - ie they had to ensure they had enough owner committed share capital to cover three months wages and they were only allowed to add current year or previous year profit in their capital figure once it had been independently audited. It was a sure fire way of preventing thin capitalisation (ie loans) and companies going bust through overspending.

Obviously three months’ overheads isn’t enough for a football club but something akin to this would work for me. You wouldn’t get any clubs going bust then.
 

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Under a Transfer Embargo This Season.......Ends in May
Happy days
We Cannot bid for your players ....though i doubt we would go shopping at Arkwrights
No. Harrods with a dodgy credit card.
 

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I worked for a while on the accounts for FCA regulated entities and they have to adhere to strict rules on capital v monthly overheads - ie they had to ensure they had enough owner committed share capital to cover three months wages and they were only allowed to add current year or previous year profit in their capital figure once it had been independently audited. It was a sure fire way of preventing thin capitalisation (ie loans) and companies going bust through overspending.

Obviously three months’ overheads isn’t enough for a football club but something akin to this would work for me. You wouldn’t get any clubs going bust then.

This is the right way to go about it, genuinely independent auditing and more generally an independent regulator in the game.

The way this vote on the cap and the votes to end the season were Put through really exposed the EFL for what it is, a members club full of competing interests.

Genuine reform is needed not a knee jerk cap to paper over some cracks and get a headline.
 

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Disagree. The less clubs rely on rich owners the more clubs can be run sustainably and ideally owned by their fans. Get the money men out of football for good and it would be better for everyone imo.

If a club gets bigger crowds/bigger income then they should be able to spend more then the clubs with less fans/lower income. Main thing is clubs stay solvent.
The amount of fans can increase and decrease therefore it is not reliable to base spending on fan base anymore than money from a rich person wishing to splash out.

I quite like Laker's suggestion. Its better than artificially holding down peoples wages.

Casey
 

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