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Someone reckons Lyle Taylor was spotted at ours today.
Wouldn’t mind that personally
 

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Will fit right in the crowd at Gillingham then.
Difficult to argue with that at the moment but please don’t judge us all by the actions of a handful of teenage, Danny Dyer wannabes
We all have them it’s just that ours are being pretty vocal and shaming our club right now.
The twat on Saturday was quickly told ro shut the fuck up by fellow fans. The problem is those who were ‘self policing’ were nearly kicked out as well.
Stewarding, or lack of, is a big problem with this cancer.
 

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Difficult to argue with that at the moment but please don’t judge us all by the actions of a handful of teenage, Danny Dyer wannabes
We all have them it’s just that ours are being pretty vocal and shaming our club right now.
The twat on Saturday was quickly told ro shut the fuck up by fellow fans. The problem is those who were ‘self policing’ were nearly kicked out as well.
Stewarding, or lack of, is a big problem with this cancer.
We have them but nobody wants to get banned so we're mostly well behaved now. We've seen a strange (but welcome) culture shift this past year.
 

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Don’t see why. Not guilty of anything.

Whether he’s any good is another matter
 

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Shouldn’t do, found not guilty so should be no issues whatsoever IMO.
I'm not sure it's as simple as that. I'd be extremely unhappy if my club signed him.
 

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I'm not sure it's as simple as that. I'd be extremely unhappy if my club signed him.
I’d get that like with the Mason Greenwood one where the evidence is out there for all to see but the scumbag got away with it, but I typed this guys name in and it just says he was found not guilty of all charges so unless there is something I’m missing I don’t see the issue?
 

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I’d get that like with the Mason Greenwood one where the evidence is out there for all to see but the scumbag got away with it, but I typed this guys name in and it just says he was found not guilty of all charges so unless there is something I’m missing I don’t see the issue?
Agree with this. If we don't accept not guilty verdicts what's the point of a justice system.
Even after serving your sentence for a guilty verdict you've got to go back to work, so footballers play football.
 

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Depending on what they’re guilty of, but let’s say murder then I don’t think they should be allowed to play professional football ever again personally.
 

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Depending on what they’re guilty of, but let’s say murder then I don’t think they should be allowed to play professional football ever again personally.

Just pro football or would that include all pro sports?
 

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Depending on what they’re guilty of, but let’s say murder then I don’t think they should be allowed to play professional football ever again personally.
I know it’s hypothetical but most people who serve time for murder would be too old to play professional football by the time they got out anyway.
 

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I know it’s hypothetical but most people who serve time for murder would be too old to play professional football by the time they got out anyway.
Think those who caused death by dangerous/drunk driving shouldn't have been allowed to play again tbh.

McCormick, Hughes. Looking at you.

It's probably more a failure in the justice system that they got off so lightly, mind.
 

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Huge difference between murder and death by dangerous/drunk driving.

Not going to comment on the length of the sentences because I don't know all the facts unlike the judge. But should be allowed to play (work) again IMO after the latter offences.
 
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Yeah I'm with TVM here, murder and drunk/dangerous driving shouldn't be considered the same. I think with the latter though the person in question needs to be given the correct rehabilitation as well as punishment. The club(s) that they go on to play with need to play their part too, so maybe not doing things like turning a blind eye to fans wearing masks of the player's face, etc.
 

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Who was the Grimsby fan on here that couldn't grasp the difference between the two and repeatedly and incorrectly called him a murderer?

The masks could be seen as a definite misstep by whoever was responsible for producing them. The silly joyous goal celebration could have ceased. But you have to have all the facts before judging the individual after the event i.e. showing remorse, rehabilitation, speaking on the subject chairty work etc. To me that's more important than the actions of the clubs.
 
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I remember an ex player of ours Jimmy Kelly got convicted of manslaughter (I think he was involved in a fight that ended up with someone being killed) in the mid 90s. He ended up serving a couple of years of his 5 year sentence. After leaving prison he played for Donny, Chester and Morecambe I think.

As a bleeding heart liberal I tend to think if you've served your time you should be able to resume your life. But I don't feel completely comfortable with it.
 

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I remember an ex player of ours Jimmy Kelly got convicted of manslaughter (I think he was involved in a fight that ended up with someone being killed) in the mid 90s. He ended up serving a couple of years of his 5 year sentence. After leaving prison he played for Donny, Chester and Morecambe I think.

As a bleeding heart liberal I tend to think if you've served your time you should be able to resume your life. But I don't feel completely comfortable with it.
Yeah, I'm far more vexxed about lengths of sentencing than what an ex convict does afterwards. Obviously a paedo teacher can't go back to their old career, a fraudulent accountant and the like similar but not sure what stops anyone returning to football.
 

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Yeah I'm with TVM here, murder and drunk/dangerous driving shouldn't be considered the same. I think with the latter though the person in question needs to be given the correct rehabilitation as well as punishment. The club(s) that they go on to play with need to play their part too, so maybe not doing things like turning a blind eye to fans wearing masks of the player's face, etc.
Mental if you've taken my quote as saying they're one and the same. Was not my point at all.

I'm saying they shouldn't be allowed to play again. They can and should be reintegrated into society, but if you've taken a life due to recklessness you've lost the right to be a role model.
 

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Yeah, I'm far more vexxed about lengths of sentencing than what an ex convict does afterwards. Obviously a paedo teacher can't go back to their old career, a fraudulent accountant and the like similar but not sure what stops anyone returning to football.
Would you want your kids looking up to a convicted rapist? That's what should stop it.
 

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Anyway, ducking out of this one!
 

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Who was the Grimsby fan on here that couldn't grasp the difference between the two and repeatedly and incorrectly called him a murderer?

The masks could be seen as a definite misstep by whoever was responsible for producing them. The silly joyous goal celebration could have ceased. But you have to have all the facts before judging the individual after the event i.e. showing remorse, rehabilitation, speaking on the subject chairty work etc. To me that's more important than the actions of the clubs.
I think what was triggering for a lot of people regarding the celebration was that it displayed a distinct lack of remorse though, which as you've said is a part of the rehabilitation process. I don't think that the responsibility lays solely with the offender though, the institutions that they they then are employed by and are associated with need to also play a part in that.
Mental if you've taken my quote as saying they're one and the same. Was not my point at all.
Okay fair enough, it did come across a bit like that. Thanks for clarifying.
 

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I think what was triggering for a lot of people regarding the celebration was that it displayed a distinct lack of remorse though, which as you've said is a part of the rehabilitation process. I don't think that the responsibility lays solely with the offender though, the institutions that they they then are employed by and are associated with need to also play a part in that.

Okay fair enough, it did come across a bit like that. Thanks for clarifying.

I guess he could have chosen a less elaborate joyous goal celebration, been more subdued after s prong and enjoyed football less for the rest of his career with football fans of other clubs in mind.

I didn't particularly like it tbh and wish he didn't do it but that had nothing to do with his last actions.

Thankfully if the goal celebration showed zero remorse I can report that away from the pitch he showed a lot of remorse with his words and actions.

Regardless of his goal celebration and anyone's option of it to call that person a murderer is just wrong and quite a serious wrong at that but emotions run high and one Town fan on here it bubbled over frequently on this subject but can't remember who.

Even if the right thing to do I'm not sure how many clubs would have asked him to tone it down tbh. I suspect very few.
 

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