Leicester City Youth Players

[claret50]

The 3 involved are being sent home.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-32950519

 

[Dazza]

You have obviously never been out in Leicester then.

Never had the pleasure.I will try it next time i am in Reading on a night out.

 

[Son of Cod]

I never said it was OK, in fact I think I made pretty clear that I thought it was not OK. What I did say was that it was victimless until the video was released. We can quibble over the exact meaning of the word I suppose, but I take it to mean someone who has been harmed in some way.

No you didn't...

I don't think they should lose their careers over this, it was a victimless crime until someone stuck it on the net. They're young, they're stupid, so fine them hard, make them make a public apology, send them for some racial sensitivity training and be done with it.

Who was the victim?

In what sense? They clearly didn't understand English, and if they did, they obviously weren't bothered. Until this blew up in the media they probably had no idea.

...seemed very much like you're of the opinion that if you don't get caught then this type of behaviour is fine. Sweep it under the carpet, tick them off, forget about it? Fuck that. Racism is a sackable offence. If I go into work and call one of my colleagues a "slit eye" my visa is cancelled and I'm on the next plane back to the UK. If I do it in an office in the UK, I'm also at risk of getting sacked. Football pundits have lost their jobs/careers over this. The fact that they're young is no excuse. Being in your 20s and from the UK, you are racially aware to the point that you know you can't say stuff like that and expect to get away with it.

One factor here that hasn't been mentioned is that Nigel Pearson is a big supporter of the Kick It Out campaign, so it will be interesting to see what he has to say on this.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

...seemed very much like you're of the opinion that if you don't get caught then this type of behaviour is fine. Sweep it under the carpet, tick them off, forget about it?

No, those bits are an invention of your imagination. I said they should be fined, made to make a public apology, and sent on racial sensitivity training because I think they deserve to be fined, made to make a public apology, and sent on racial sensitivity training. It's not difficult to follow.

Fuck that. Racism is a sackable offence. If I go into work and call one of my colleagues a "slit eye" my visa is cancelled and I'm on the next plane back to the UK. If I do it in an office in the UK, I'm also at risk of getting sacked.

If they'd gone in to work and racially abused someone, then they'd deserve to be sacked. I don't think anyone would dispute that. But that isn't what happened.

Being in your 20s and from the UK, you are racially aware to the point that you know you can't say stuff like that and expect to get away with it.

Actually, I reckon had most twenty-somethings been in the exact same situation, then they could absolutely expect to get away with it. They should know better than to find stuff like that funny at their age of course, but that's a different argument altogether.

 

[Urban]

How anyone can call this a victimless incident is completely beyond me. You do realise that by going somewhere and use an escort/prostitute you're morally conforming to whatever abuse/neglect/extortion those sex workers are subjected to, right? They use a hooker, they buy into the whole disgusting world that comes with it.

Then there's the racial abuse on top of that, which has been imaged around the world for everyone to see. Employees of a club, owned by an extremely wealthy and famous Thai individual, going to Thailand and caught being racist. In any circumstance, that's bringing the company into disrepute. The fact that it was on a trip to build relationships and goodwill, and that it was while they used a sex worker, makes it an extremely easy decision to sack them. And it would be 100% deserved too. How stupid can you get?

 

[Jarv]

Leicester will surely sack them Racism should never be tolerated. Sadly it's condoned by the FA, UEFA and FIFA by the paltry punishments they give out to Racist players and clubs.

 

[liu]

Didn't watch the video. But, does "slit eye" mean anything other than that one's eyes are very small and narrow? Is it that bad?
Naturally, we think people who look very different from ourselves are ugly. We sometimes make fun of the looks of Europeans or Africans or some other people who are different from us. It doesn't have to be malicious, does it?
If out of no where somebody points out that my eyes are small, I will think it is aggresive, but not racist.

 

[TheWednesday]

Didn't watch the video. But, does "slit eye" mean anything other than that one's eyes are very small and narrow? Is it that bad?
Naturally, we think people who look very different from ourselves are ugly. We sometimes make fun of the looks of Europeans or Africans or some other people who are different from us. It doesn't have to be malicious, does it?
If out of no where somebody points out that my eyes are small, I will think it is aggresive, but not racist.

Absolutely, I don't see why it's so offensive. It looks like more people being offended on the behalf of others.

 

[Whitechapel]

I'm not Thai. But if I was, being paid to lick someone's bum hole whilst being called a "slit-eye" would be offensive. I don't think I'd like that tbh.

 

[Gulliball]

If they'd gone in to work and racially abused someone, then they'd deserve to be sacked. I don't think anyone would dispute that. But that isn't what happened.

They were very much at work. Leicester didn't go to Thailand to win football trophies, they went there to promote the Club in the owner's home country. They were also staying in a hotel paid for by their employers when this took place.

As a result they've already been sent home by Leicester, and there'll be further discipline to follow pretty soon.

 

[Son of Cod]

No, those bits are an invention of your imagination. I said they should be fined, made to make a public apology, and sent on racial sensitivity training because I think they deserve to be fined, made to make a public apology, and sent on racial sensitivity training. It's not difficult to follow.

Alright, I'll admit that being sent on racial sensitivity training is not the same as what I was inferring however being fined and made to apologise are definitely the Premier League's slap on the wrist. I would also argue that you are being difficult to follow when you're saying this and then saying that it was a victimless crime.

If they'd gone in to work and racially abused someone, then they'd deserve to be sacked. I don't think anyone would dispute that. But that isn't what happened.

They were in Thailand as part of a "goodwill tour", trying to promote positive relationships between Leicester City and both their sponsors and the people the Thai people. Therefore, just by being in the country they were at work. Just as when you're on a business trip abroad, you're at work for the entire length of your stay. If you are involved any kind of incident you aren't there as a holiday maker, you're there representing your company and it's as much them as it is you who will face any repercussions.

Didn't watch the video. But, does "slit eye" mean anything other than that one's eyes are very small and narrow? Is it that bad?
Naturally, we think people who look very different from ourselves are ugly. We sometimes make fun of the looks of Europeans or Africans or some other people who are different from us. It doesn't have to be malicious, does it?
If out of no where somebody points out that my eyes are small, I will think it is aggresive, but not racist.

That's news to me!
I would say "slit eye" is very offensive. If somebody said that about or to my girlfriend I would be fucking fuming. Just because a term could be construed as accurately describing a feature of a person's appearance has no bearing on whether or not it is racist. If that was the case then words such "darkies" wouldn't be deemed racist. I don't know what it's like in China, but here in Korea there is an alarming amount of people who do not know what is and isn't racist. Just off the top of my head, incidents in the last year alone have included tv stars being blacked up on family comedy variety shows to portray African natives, a pub in the most heavily concentrated foreigner neighbourhood in the whole country displaying a "No Africans" sign as a reaction to the Ebola outbreak, a professional baseball player saying in an interview that his least favourite pitcher to bat against is a black player for another team "because he can't see his face when he plays against him at night" and countless online job vacancies that state "no black people". Without knowing the context of what you're referring to, it sounds like China might also be similar to Korea in this respect. You could argue that being a more ethnically homogenous country than a lot of Western countries is a cause of this. However, personally a lot of the time many things I see and hear in Korea come out as being flat out racist.

 

[liu]

I don't know how an accurate description can be racist.
If one is not happy with one's own race's features, then he is just as racist as people who point and laugh.

Unfortunately, when it comes to Racism, China is not very much better than Korea I have to say. There's lot to do to improve in both countries. Maybe Japan has similar problems. What you said that happened in Korea is not cool. But, what I wanted to say is that today's western countries are too sensitive on this topic.

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

It's obviously offensive, but I don't think their careers should be in jeopardy over it. They'll (rightly) be dealt with severely by the club and will probably learn more from the shame of it than they will from any kind of fine.

 

[G-Dragon]

Maybe Sum Ting Wong with this. But those three players will probably end up as pub league players later anyway.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Alright, I'll admit that being sent on racial sensitivity training is not the same as what I was inferring however being fined and made to apologise are definitely the Premier League's slap on the wrist. I would also argue that you are being difficult to follow when you're saying this and then saying that it was a victimless crime.

I said it was a victimless crime until the video was released, because until then, no one had been harmed. The women seemed oblivious to what was being said.

They were in Thailand as part of a "goodwill tour", trying to promote positive relationships between Leicester City and both their sponsors and the people the Thai people. Therefore, just by being in the country they were at work. Just as when you're on a business trip abroad, you're at work for the entire length of your stay. If you are involved any kind of incident you aren't there as a holiday maker, you're there representing your company and it's as much them as it is you who will face any repercussions.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

How anyone can call this a victimless incident is completely beyond me. You do realise that by going somewhere and use an escort/prostitute you're morally conforming to whatever abuse/neglect/extortion those sex workers are subjected to, right? They use a hooker, they buy into the whole disgusting world that comes with it.

Do you hold people who buy weed illegally to the same standard? And do we have any actual evidence that these women were sex-workers at all?

 

[Son of Cod]

I said it was a victimless crime until the video was released, because until then, no one had been harmed. The women seemed oblivious to what was being said.

Do we have any actual evidence that these women didn't understand what was being said?

 

[Techno Natch]

I don't feel that just because someone doesn't understand that they are being abused means that something is victimless anyway.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Do we have any actual evidence that these women didn't understand what was being said?

Tongue to arsehole proximity is our best guess.

 

[Urban]

Do you hold people who buy weed illegally to the same standard? And do we have any actual evidence that these women were sex-workers at all?

Weed has nothing to do with this topic, it's an entirely different situation. By using a hooker, you morally conform with whatever treatment happens in that industry.

I think it's fairly safe to work on the assumption that these were sex workers, yes.

But if you'd like to try to answer my points with questions yourself then feel free to continue avoiding admitting the answers

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

Being filmed making racist remarks should be more than enough for the sack. How are these players 'youth team' aren't they all early 20s? Sound like they're just shit and Leicester can use it to bin them off early.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Weed has nothing to do with this topic, it's an entirely different situation. By using a hooker, you morally conform with whatever treatment happens in that industry.

By using a drug dealer, you morally conform with whatever treatment happens in that industry. No?

I think it's fairly safe to work on the assumption that these were sex workers, yes.

Well it's not a point I really care about that much either way, but this seems baseless.

But if you'd like to try to answer my points with questions yourself then feel free to continue avoiding admitting the answers

There's nothing much to answer. It's a nonsensical assertion. I'd hoped to illustrate that fact to you with a simple analogy.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

http://newsthump.com/2015/06/01/john-terry-demands-move-to-leicester-city/

 

[silkyman]

Do we have any actual evidence that these women didn't understand what was being said?

And why is whether they understood or not relevent?

If you're say in your living room on your own and call a <insert race> person on the TV a <insert appropriate slur> then you're still being racist. If you did it at the office you'd probably get the tin tack. Even if there isn't anyone of that particular race knocking about.

If a c*** is racist in the forest and there's no one around to hear, he's still still a racist c***.

 

[Son of Cod]

And why is whether they understood or not relevent?

If you're say in your living room on your own and call a <insert race> person on the TV a <insert appropriate slur> then you're still being racist. If you did it at the office you'd probably get the tin tack. Even if there isn't anyone of that particular race knocking about.

If a c*** is racist in the forest and there's no one around to hear, he's still still a racist c***.

Wooooooooooooooosh.

I haven't disagreed with that in here at all. EG is the one that is potentially of this opinion.

 

[silkyman]

It's obviously offensive, but I don't think their careers should be in jeopardy over it. They'll (rightly) be dealt with severely by the club and will probably learn more from the shame of it than they will from any kind of fine.

their careers aren't in jeopardy. Their job at Leicester might be but there's nothing stopping them going to different clubs.

 

[silkyman]

Wooooooooooooooosh.

I haven't disagreed with that in here at all. EG is the one that is potentially of this opinion.

I was agreeing with you...

 

[Son of Cod]

Ah okay, you're opening sentence sounded like you were disagreeing with me. Which I did find to be a bit confusing, as I agreed with everything else you were saying.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

And why is whether they understood or not relevent?

Well from an ethical point of view I think it matters whether there was a victim or not quite a bit.

 

[Son of Cod]

Well from an ethical point of view I think it matters whether there was a victim or not quite a bit.

But as has been said already, whether or not they understood or not doesn't necessarily determine whether there was a victim or not.