Macclefield or Stevenage, which one goes?

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The decision is supposed to be on Tuesday 11th August I believe. Hope we keep Macc.
 

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Really hope it goes in Maccs favour. Getting relegated could kill them off completely I fear. Also Stevenage after how they did last season have no business surviving on a technicality.

Does seem to me the EFL are doing their best to relegate Macc though so they can absolve any responsibility on this.
 

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i'm good at getting this sort of thing wrong - so i'll say Stevenage will stay - and hope i get it wrong again.
 

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Difficult one this. The EFL are trying to show they have some balls now (yeah I know, they are still a bunch of fucktards), and Macclesfield are in the wrong, but as I said before, the EFL should look at the integrity of the league and the clubs in it, if clubs actually fail due to their actions, they failing in their duty to all the clubs in the league. I think Stevenage could survive if tey are still relegated, i'm not sure Macclesfield could
 

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Is it decision day or just hearing day?

It'll kick up another storm if Macclesfield are deducted more points and get relegated without having their PPG calculated correctly as well.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it's such an obvious, and important, point that you'd have to be seriously thick not to have realised the impact it could have further down the line. I'm still genuinely gobsmacked that those at the EFL, presumably half intelligent people, didn't spot the error in their proposals and even more gobsmacked that only one club brought it to their attention. It's pretty basic common sense and maths.
 

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Is it decision day or just hearing day?

It'll kick up another storm if Macclesfield are deducted more points and get relegated without having their PPG calculated correctly as well.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it's such an obvious, and important, point that you'd have to be seriously thick not to have realised the impact it could have further down the line. I'm still genuinely gobsmacked that those at the EFL, presumably half intelligent people, didn't spot the error in their proposals and even more gobsmacked that only one club brought it to their attention. It's pretty basic common sense and maths.
Because like with everything with the EFL, it's all about self interest.
 

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The decision is supposed to be on Tuesday 11th August I believe. Hope we keep Macc.
Stevenage seem to be signing players like they haven't a care in the world, must be pretty confident it's going to be a resolved in their favour.
 

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Difficult one this. The EFL are trying to show they have some balls now (yeah I know, they are still a bunch of fucktards), and Macclesfield are in the wrong, but as I said before, the EFL should look at the integrity of the league and the clubs in it, if clubs actually fail due to their actions, they failing in their duty to all the clubs in the league. I think Stevenage could survive if tey are still relegated, i'm not sure Macclesfield could
Thing is that they deducted Macclesfield points, but Stevenage managed to find a new level of shit to drop to. So they deducted more points from Macclesfield and once again Stevenage managed to limbo beneath the newly lowered bar that had been set.

If the concern is that Macclesfield didn't suffer as a result of the points deduction then forget about it this season, you can't just keep deducting points until you reach a level that even Stevenage can't sink to. Deduct the points next season instead.
 

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Prosser is a great signing for them too, I hope Macc stay they had a half decent side whereas Boro were dire, lets be honest if you couldn't stay up ahead of a side with that many points deducted you dont deserve to survive in the EFL!
 

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Is it decision day or just hearing day?

It'll kick up another storm if Macclesfield are deducted more points and get relegated without having their PPG calculated correctly as well.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it's such an obvious, and important, point that you'd have to be seriously thick not to have realised the impact it could have further down the line. I'm still genuinely gobsmacked that those at the EFL, presumably half intelligent people, didn't spot the error in their proposals and even more gobsmacked that only one club brought it to their attention. It's pretty basic common sense and maths.
Also still amazed that the other clubs didn't vote for it to be decided that way too, genuinely unfathomable.
 

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At what point today is the decision made? Almost feels like fixture-release day.
 

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Seems pretty blatant what the EFL want....

But....what is interesting though is that the Macc fans forum is pretty much agreed that Macc are more likely to stay up; while the Stevenage one is even more unanimous in thinking that it's Boro who will go down.

I hope the fans are right! The wisdom of crowds and that....
 

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I'm far from convinced we'll come out of this still in L2.

So many points already been touched on above but the EFL are doing everything they can to get rid.

The PPG calculation is surely open to legal debate so even if they get the result they want i'd expect us to appeal. My concern is, as someone says, how come no body voted for it to be decided the other way? I do genuinely believe there are a number of clubs in this league who also want us gone and have been in the ear of the EFL all the way through this. It's a shame, but I guess it is understandable in a way.

The only hope I have is that we've recently brought in a new commercial manager, a new addition to the senior leadership team, the owner has been removed from chairman role, and we've started arranging pre-season friendlies - which hopefully means there has been some kind of positive discussions with the EFL following the delivery of our business plan at the end of July.

I think the decision will be made today one way or another, and then depending on who's favour it goes in will decide when we hear about it. Wigan's appeal result was announce on the same day as it went in EFL's favour where as we've previously had to wait a few days for the full decision and typed up report from the independent commission, so who know's when we'll find out. It would be good of the club to at least post something on the official site this evening with an update but it's unlikely they will.
 

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I have aired my opinion on this before - while I'm not ok with Macc not paying the players on time on several occasions, I think Boro fully deserve to go down as they were comfortably the poorest side in L2 this year. Though they didn't look it when they smashed us 4 nil at the Abbey :ffs:

Having said that, it's pretty clear the EFL want rid of Macc and I think they'll do just that. Another thing is I find Luke Prosser signing for Boro a bit odd, as in why would he go to a NL club when he can easily join a FL club?

I want Macc to stay up but I don't think it's going to happen. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
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I have aired my opinion on this before - while I'm not ok with Macc not paying the players on time on several occasions, I think Boro fully deserve to go down as they were comfortably the poorest side in L2 this year. Though they didn't look it when they smashed us 4 nil at the Abbey :ffs:

Having said that, it's pretty clear the EFL want rid of Macc and I think they'll do just that. Another thing is I find Luke Prosser signing for Boro a bit odd, as in why would he go to a NL club when he can easily join a FL club?

I want Macc to stay up but I don't think it's going to happen. Hopefully I'm wrong.
If Macc get relegated it would be chaos for next season surely as they would appeal? Thus even longer it would drag and potentially impact next season starting as planned?
 

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I have aired my opinion on this before - while I'm not ok with Macc not paying the players on time on several occasions, I think Boro fully deserve to go down as they were comfortably the poorest side in L2 this year. Though they didn't look it when they smashed us 4 nil at the Abbey :ffs:

Having said that, it's pretty clear the EFL want rid of Macc and I think they'll do just that. Another thing is I find Luke Prosser signing for Boro a bit odd, as in why would he go to a NL club when he can easily join a FL club?

I want Macc to stay up but I don't think it's going to happen. Hopefully I'm wrong.
We have to hope that the independent commission see it that way also and have some decency in not allowing the EFL just to "get what they want". We've committed crimes, for which we've been punished (more than we should have due to PPG). I do still think that there is this misconception that we didnt pay wages due to not having money - we had the money just the crooked owner decided to keep it for himself and move it around his accounts to cover other stuff for himself. He's now no longer in control of club finances so hopefully this is a big tick for us in appeasing the EFL.
 

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If Macc get relegated it would be chaos for next season surely as they would appeal? Thus even longer it would drag and potentially impact next season starting as planned?
Not a chance though that they'll delay the start of the season because Macc are appealing.
 

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That's me done with football for good a disgrace a team with just 3 wins all season and couldn't score in a brothel have been allowed stay up. If they were that desperate to relegate macclesfield then relegate stevenage aswell as they dont deserve to stay up.
 

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Stevenage seem to be signing players like they haven't a care in the world, must be pretty confident it's going to be a resolved in their favour.
Most of those signings have been mediocre NL players though. They will struggle again next year.
 

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When the initial decision was made didn't the panel admit that they went easy on Macc because enacting the points deduction would relegate them?

If so it's easy to see why this appeal has been successful. You can't vary a clearly defined punishment just because the outcome might be worse depending on league position.
 

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Gutted for Macc - they've been well and truly shafted.

The EFL get their way and we all have to put up with the c*** from Stevenage again, who will no doubt have a blinder of a season and end up getting promoted off the back of this travesty.
 

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The fa finally got their wish then.

spinless c***.
 

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The scrots at the EFL have got what they wanted, they clearly didn't want anything to do with Macclesfields current owner.

I've been following football for 27 years and this is easily the luckiest thing I've ever seen happen to a football club - because Stevenage were rock bottom with only 3 wins and saved partly by a Pandemic.

Having said that, Stevenage will point to 1996 when they was unfairly not allowed promotion to the League.

Feel for Macclesfield and their fans, what an absoulte farce and its taken months to get to this.

The Arbitration panel's decision is final and binding - Macc are officially down.

 

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That's a disgrace.

Shameful that other clubs (Carlisle and Grimsby) got involved too and helped make this happen, had nothing to do with them.
 

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