Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[Robshep]

That's often what fans say after a disappointing season, there's not much more entertaining though than success and not many fans will say if they get promoted that they'd rather have played more positive football and stayed down.

Grimsby fans the only ones I can think of after getting promoted from the Conference who were keen to get rid of their manager, and look at the appointments they've made since then, and who's managing them now.

Very true but we haven't really succeeded. We had a great chance of automatic promotion and Hill was talking about how he would have us playing rock and roll football. Val Doonican was more rock and roll than the turgid garbage he gave us.
Blaming everybody but himself didn't help.

 

[The Globule]

Just to throw my bit in.
If rumours firm up and Bradford do sign Derek Adams they'll need to compenste for the remains of his contract (to April 2022) - that could be costly. Personally, can't see it and definitely don't want it but these things happen, and if it does then Keith Hill may be a decent replacement. He's an ex player, and may appreciate the less toxic atmosphere and job security here.

 

[Robshep]

Wow, I was unaware of the ill feeling and the other points you made. He must have been seriously unpopular if the season ticket thing was real and not exaggerated. Good background and makes it a bit easier to understand for fans of other teams

You cannot alienate the supporters. We are there long term. Its not a job for us. It can be a chore at times, but its one we do because we want it.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Nixon linking us with Adams this morning.

Our CEO was on the radio last night stating how he views this as an entertainment business and after the last few years we've had, he wants an exciting product on the pitch. That and Adams don't go hand in hand. I'd be really disappointed if he got it.

But he’d get you promoted. He is hard to like personally, but he knows how to get out of league 2.

 

[AR27]

Just to throw my bit in.
If rumours firm up and Bradford do sign Derek Adams they'll need to compenste for the remains of his contract (to April 2022) - that could be costly. Personally, can't see it and definitely don't want it but these things happen, and if it does then Keith Hill may be a decent replacement. He's an ex player, and may appreciate the less toxic atmosphere and job security here.

Any idea what the compo figure would be? Hopefully it'll be six figures as I cannot see us paying that.

 

[Robshep]

Just to throw my bit in.
If rumours firm up and Bradford do sign Derek Adams they'll need to compenste for the remains of his contract (to April 2022) - that could be costly. Personally, can't see it and definitely don't want it but these things happen, and if it does then Keith Hill may be a decent replacement. He's an ex player, and may appreciate the less toxic atmosphere and job security here.

The toxic environment at Tranmere was in large part his own creation, although he would no doubt blame everybody but himself

 

[The Globule]

But he’d get you promoted. He is hard to like personally, but he knows how to get out of league 2.

What was it that was hard to like? Serious question. We've found him competitive and very likeable and honourable. His interviews are positive, clear and he smiles a lot. Maybe he's matured into a nicer person?

 

[AR27]

But he’d get you promoted. He is hard to like personally, but he knows how to get out of league 2.

We went down that route last season with Gary Bowyer and it didn't end well.

 

[loz]

Just to throw my bit in.
If rumours firm up and Bradford do sign Derek Adams they'll need to compenste for the remains of his contract (to April 2022) - that could be costly. Personally, can't see it and definitely don't want it but these things happen, and if it does then Keith Hill may be a decent replacement. He's an ex player, and may appreciate the less toxic atmosphere and job security here.

Compensation is likely to be linked to what you pay him. Personally, I hope that we go after another manager involved in div 2 playoffs.

 

[Indian Dan]

The toxic environment at Tranmere was in large part his own creation, although he would no doubt blame everybody but himself

Maybe he had a promotion clause in his contract that would have triggered an extension plus pay rise. Sack him off before he possibly gets you promoted!

 

[The Globule]

Any idea what the compo figure would be? Hopefully it'll be six figures as I cannot see us paying that.

The owners and directors were on a podcast last week and were saying that the club was in a good place financially so I can see them being bullish about any negotiations

 

[stevowanderer]

The owners and directors were on a podcast last week and were saying that the club was in a good place financially so I can see them being bullish about any negotiations

Plus there’s some big clubs looking at Mendes Gomes (I assume he isn’t out of contract so you could bring in some decent money for him to spend on the squad.) May even be able to keep him if promoted. He can defo play at a higher level.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

What was it that was hard to like? Serious question. We've found him competitive and very likeable and honourable. His interviews are positive, clear and he smiles a lot. Maybe he's matured into a nicer person?

It is a fair question, and I suspect the experience of the personality we have seen is different. For us Adams was monosyllabic, appeared not to care about the fans (if we chanted Adam’s give us a wave he never ever did) and his interviews were not enlightening. On a personal basis I actually struggled to understand what he said - and this was more how quietly he spoke and our poor sound technology. A lot of fans did not like the playing style, and some around the club did not appear to like the fact he wanted to be in charge of every facet of the club playing activities.

I think that is fair a summation of what many people thought. I have to say that other than personally not being able to understand him, I actually rated him, and did not want him sacked. I also did not mind the style of play, it worked. That he did not go out of his way to make friends with fans did not bother me in the slightest, but did support the view that he was hard to like. Tactically at the end he made a mistake in his attitude towards the local media, that never ends well.

What cannot be denied is that he knows how to win in League 2, can work wonders on a small budget (see Ross County and we were still paying off admin when he started I think), and his recruitment is good - he bought in unknown left back Graham Carey and unleashed a wizard at this level.


i am pleased that your experience has been different, this bodes very well for him, that he can learn and adapt.

PS His press conferences were hardly ever positive.

 

[Robshep]

Maybe he had a promotion clause in his contract that would have triggered an extension plus pay rise. Sack him off before he possibly gets you promoted!

He did have one but his interview on saturday was the straw that broke the camels back. He had clearly lost the dressing room.
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[AR27]

The owners and directors were on a podcast last week and were saying that the club was in a good place financially so I can see them being bullish about any negotiations

The way we've worded our statement suggests that everything has been agreed already with the new manager, which is why it doesn't add up to be Adams, unless we've approached him in an underhand way.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

We went down that route last season with Gary Bowyer and it didn't end well.

Does not mean the same would happen with Adam’s. In fact I would fully expect him to get you up. Nothing is ever guaranteed in life, but I think he is a very astute manager at this level.

 

[Robshep]

The way we've worded our statement suggests that everything has been agreed already with the new manager, which is why it doesn't add up to be Adams, unless we've approached him in an underhand way.

Take him now.

 

[AR27]

Does not mean the same would happen with Adam’s. In fact I would fully expect him to get you up. Nothing is ever guaranteed in life, but I think he is a very astute manager at this level.

Style of play is important. We've had too many negative managers who are so fearful of the opposition and set us up not to lose and its become tiresome. Fans want something resembling entertainment irrespective of results to some degree.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Style of play is important. We've had too many negative managers who are so fearful of the opposition and set us up not to lose and its become tiresome. Fans want something resembling entertainment irrespective of results to some degree.

I know what you mean, but for me I just wanted out of League 2. We came so close to going to the NL, that I never wanted to be in a league where if it all went wrong that would result.

 

[SuperaMoras]

In Hills case he has taken Rochdale up a couple of times so he can do that role. As with almost all managerial appointments it’s about the right fit and circumstances more than anything. Look at Accy with Coleman who anyone would say has done an incredible job there. Rochdale fans would tell you rather differently what they think of him I guess.

I could see him being the right sort of manager for Barrow assuming you don’t give it to Kelly (which I’d be wary of doing).

We were warned about Hill by Rochdale fans when he took over at our place. Granted he did well first time with them, by the second time he talked himself into a sacking, which he did with us, and has done again at Tranmere. Three clubs in three years where he’s completely alienated fans and players. I think he could do with some time away from the game and I wouldn’t be clamouring to appoint him if I were a club in the market for a new gaffer. Past success or not, he’s got a bit of a god complex and a massive chip on his shoulder.

 

[Chris FGR]

Very strange interview post match on Saturday from Hill, seems like he felt he couldn’t say what he really wanted to the players ‘without offending someone in this day and age’.

Good luck getting more work with that attitude.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Cooper to Tranmere then

 

[Robshep]

Cooper to Tranmere then

A very unlikely outcome. The fanzone bar would have to stop selling Mark Cooper's Bitter.

 

[Robshep]

Very strange interview post match on Saturday from Hill, seems like he felt he couldn’t say what he really wanted to the players ‘without offending someone in this day and age’.

Good luck getting more work with that attitude.

The other week he had a go at the fans.
Needs a long break

 

[Robshep]

Style of play is important. We've had too many negative managers who are so fearful of the opposition and set us up not to lose and its become tiresome. Fans want something resembling entertainment irrespective of results to some degree.

Commiserations for today. Just seen it was 36 years since the fire.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

A very unlikely outcome. The fanzone bar would have to stop selling Mark Cooper's Bitter.

Weirdly if he'd not burned his bridges you're a big enough club for him to make his style work I reckon.

 

[Robshep]

Weirdly if he'd not burned his bridges you're a big enough club for him to make his style work I reckon.

Us fickle (Keith Hill's words)Tranmere fans like attacking football with passing on the ground. Its the cynical stuff that bothered us more.
Mind you its different when its your own team at it.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Us fickle (Keith Hill's words)Tranmere fans like attacking football with passing on the ground. Its the cynical stuff that bothered us more.
Mind you its different when its your own team at it.

He wasn't really the worst though obviously I'm looking at it from the turn a blind eye side and I reckon he's improving in man management as he ages which was his other big weakness. Won't be surprised to see him make a really good fist of it somewhere later in his career, like his approach to football.

 

[Moomin]

I am lead to believe we have spoken to Neil Ardley, Kenny Jackett and Paul Tisdsle.

I think it is likely to be Neil Ardley.

Would love us to take a punt on Jackett, but I think he will stay in League One.

I’m amazed that Tisdale is rapidly becoming a journeyman lower league manager. He really gave the impression he wanted to pursue other business ventures after leaving MK but he’s obviously keen to stay in the game.

Id imagine Orient would give him some time compared to other clubs? He really is still dining out on his 2 promotions with us which were over 12 years ago. He got MK up but had an insane budget...Not convinced he’s got what it takes any more.

 

[Robshep]

He wasn't really the worst though obviously I'm looking at it from the turn a blind eye side and I reckon he's improving in man management as he ages which was his other big weakness. Won't be surprised to see him make a really good fist of it somewhere later in his career, like his approach to football.

It was the cynical stuff that turned us against him. There is nothing wrong with being a bad loser, as an American baseball coach said "A good loser will always be a loser". You played good football when you weren't rolling about on the pitch.
If he learned to be a bit better at communicating he would be a good fit football wise.
This will cause some interesting debate with other Tranmere supporters.