Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[RiftHouseLad]

Exactly. Last season when we were up in the top 3, plan A was working all the time, he never had to react to change a game. Since plan A stopped working, he didn’t have a clue what to do. That’s one of the main things that has been his downfall.

Luke Garrard
BEST MANAGER OUTSIDE THE EFL.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Luke Garrard
BEST MANAGER OUTSIDE THE EFL.

Not sure he'd leave his massive wages at the pub team to move to Carlisle. Is he even that good, or just well backed?

 

[BarraMatt]

Not sure he'd leave his massive wages at the pub team to move to Carlisle. Is he even that good, or just well backed?

Got to think they underperformed last season. If he was that well thought of he'd be in the EFL by now.

 

[shoddycollins]

Got to think they underperformed last season. If he was that well thought of he'd be in the EFL by now.

Garrard might not be welcome in Brunton Park after his team's antics when we played BHW in the cup. We tried to take legal action against them after they trashed the dressing rooms.

 

[RiftHouseLad]

Garrard might not be welcome in Brunton Park after his team's antics when we played BHW in the cup. We tried to take legal action against them after they trashed the dressing rooms.

point taken.

 

[RiftHouseLad]

Not sure he'd leave his massive wages at the pub team to move to Carlisle. Is he even that good, or just well backed?

not sure about his wages, but we signed Mufata from them so the players can,t be on massive wages.

 

[shoddycollins]

point taken.

That said, football is a fickle business. If he did end up managing us, the fans would probably sign songs about how he once pissed in our kettle.

 

[Chris FGR]

I wonder if Harry Kewell would be a contender for Carlisle?

 

[shoddycollins]

I wonder if Harry Kewell would be a contender for Carlisle?

God only knows who is a contender... we rarely appoint managers the bookies saw coming, there'll be no news on appointments for a few weeks just that it's 'ongoing'... then some randomer will be announced as the new manager.

 

[Sestonpoolie]

not sure about his wages, but we signed Mufata from them so the players can,t be on massive wages.

We signed Mafuta after his release from Salford mate,then he joined BHW.
But agree about Garrard,he does seem to have an eye for a player lower down the pyramid.

 

[hellogregory]

Michael Jolley a front runner for the job

 

[hellogregory]

God only knows who is a contender... we rarely appoint managers the bookies saw coming, there'll be no news on appointments for a few weeks just that it's 'ongoing'... then some randomer will be announced as the new manager.

You think they’ll definitely go for a randomer again?

I reckon they’ll go experienced (a bit like appointing Sheridan) even if it’s just a short term solution. Or if they go inexperienced it will be someone with a connection to the club like Grainger.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

You think they’ll definitely go for a randomer again?

I reckon they’ll go experienced (a bit like appointing Sheridan) even if it’s just a short term solution. Or if they go inexperienced it will be someone with a connection to the club like Grainger.

Radio Cumbria used to quite often refer to "Peter Murphy's Annan" - is he still there?

I'd imagine it's likely gonna be someone like Keith Hill, but there seems to be a fashion for hiring Premier League youth coaches.

 

[RiftHouseLad]

We signed Mafuta after his release from Salford mate,then he joined BHW.
But agree about Garrard,he does seem to have an eye for a player lower down the pyramid.

I stand corrected, well sat down actually, lol.

 

[hellogregory]

Radio Cumbria used to quite often refer to "Peter Murphy's Annan" - is he still there?

I'd imagine it's likely gonna be someone like Keith Hill, but there seems to be a fashion for hiring Premier League youth coaches.

Still at Annan yes. He’s a club legend so would no doubt get serious consideration if he put himself forward, but he doesn’t seem to be mentioned when fans are talking about who they want.

I wouldn’t be against Hill, but I don’t think either side will go there because of his close connections to Beech.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

We should go for Dick Campbell at Arbroath.

he seems to be the type of man who scares the sh*t out of everyone, but it works.

5 promotions with 4 clubs although he’d be extremely old school.

jist for once I’d rather Carlisle not go for the current failures. Either a: someone who has not been a manager and can go one way or other or b: a manager doing wel like say Arbroath manager or Parkinson at Altrimcham.

just not the club of freebies managers as removed elsewhere lot

 

[hellogregory]

He’s nearly 70 which is a bit off putting.

 

[Super_horns]

He’s nearly 70 which is a bit off putting.

Nothing wrong with having a manager that old ..





(Probably for a few weekd

 

[shoddycollins]

I think we need to look at the players we've got, decide how we need to play to get the best out of those players and then choose a manager to suit.

Unpopular opinion I think, as the general consensus among fans and pundits is that would be putting the cart before the horse, that the manager is number one and the rest of the club has to adapt to him, that good manager will get the best out of any group of players and good players can adjust to any system they're asked to perform but I think it would do us good to break with the tradition of thinking that way.

The criticism of Beech was that he had no alternative when the playing squad changed. He did well with a squad last season he'd assembled almost entirely on his own. This season things didn't go his way in the transfer market and it was soon clear that players like Zach Clough and Tristan Abrahams aren't suited to 'Beech ball', or at least not without ball-winning attack-minded players around them like Kayode, Zanzala and Patrick, and not without defenders who could step up and play clever passes that aren't just long-balls; but continuing to try and play Beech ball just ended with us playing aimless long-ball. It wasn't working and you get the usual criticisms of 'no plan B'. Beech isn't the first League Two manager to be criticised for having no plan B and won't be the last.

I would wager, there isn't a single manager down here who has a genuine plan B, only the very best can switch between different playing systems and philosophies and not suffer a dip in form as a result (although some of the very best are even more one-dimensional than the managers down here because they are always able to assemble the right squad). Setting up a team is more complicated than just getting the system down on paper, you also have to know how to coach that system into the players, and how to adjust the finer points of the system to react to things in a match.

Most managers have a system. If any manager has achieved success in the lower leagues then it's because they're good at playing within their system and cruicially were able to build a squad who suit that system. Most managers (particularly those who have shown that they can get a team in good form) are perfectly competent as long as they can play a system they know. Few managers know many systems, few managers can take a randomly assembled squad and get them playing a system though there are many managers whose skill lies not in playing a system well, but in keeping such a random group of players from losing too many games; those are the ones who can keep a troubled team from getting relegated but not much else).

Often this is why senior players can do well in short periods when placed in caretaker charge, because they along with their team-mates know what system they should play... they just don't have the experience to coach it further and react to changes to make it sustainable usually.

We need to loook at who we've got in the building already, what system would suit them, and then go out and find a manager who can excel with such a system. Unfortunately this would require a lot of footballing knowledge and analysis from the person who has to go and choose a manager, and that person for us is David Holdsworth... but who knows, maybe he'll prove his worth.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

He’s an old balding miserable g•t who wears a flat cap.

cannot get much more Cumbrian than that!!

plus if we were going for some short term quick fix may as well get one that works.

plus he’d be long gone within a year as usual with managers age doesn’t matter

 

[WhiteRussian]

I think we need to look at the players we've got, decide how we need to play to get the best out of those players and then choose a manager to suit.

Unpopular opinion I think, as the general consensus among fans and pundits is that would be putting the cart before the horse, that the manager is number one and the rest of the club has to adapt to him, that good manager will get the best out of any group of players and good players can adjust to any system they're asked to perform but I think it would do us good to break with the tradition of thinking that way.

That's what we did when choosing Liam Manning after Martin jumped ship. Chose a coach to fit the system and players. We have also gone down the head coach route rather than having a manager but whether that has any effect I'm not sure.

 

[Indian Dan]

Sheridan should be banned from ever managing a football club again. A willing partner in Lee Power’s plan to destroy a football club.

Enormous turd of a man.

 

[shoddycollins]

That's what we did when choosing Liam Manning after Martin jumped ship. Chose a coach to fit the system and players. We have also gone down the head coach route rather than having a manager but whether that has any effect I'm not sure.

I think the big drawback is that it depends on how clever your DoF is, you'd want them to do their research well, and actually have scouted the new manager through full match videos that I think are probably available these days to clubs. Not just go off who sounds good in the interview.

 

[shoddycollins]

Sheridan should be banned from ever managing a football club again. A willing partner in Lee Power’s plan to destroy a football club.

Enormous turd of a man.

When he sacked us off to join Chesterfield I think he probably knew that he'd had an excellent first half of the season and we were only going to slide back down the table and probably wanted out while he still looked like a genius.

 

[electrode113]

Sheridan should be banned from ever managing a football club again. A willing partner in Lee Power’s plan to destroy a football club.

Enormous turd of a man.

Sheridan should be made manager of Salford City. Hopefully that would send them back down the pyramid to where they belong.

 

[shoddycollins]

Sheridan should be made manager of Salford City. Hopefully that would send them back down the pyramid to where they belong.

Surely he's due another crack at the Oldham job.

 

[Carver]

We probably need an experienced manager with some success on his CV considering the position we're in.

But who in the right mind would want to manage the furthest northern team who are 3rd from bottom in L2 with no money to spend and run by a club of muted incompetent loses?

Might as well give it to hellogregory.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Sheridan should be banned from ever managing a football club again. A willing partner in Lee Power’s plan to destroy a football club.

Enormous turd of a man.

I've seen an article saying McGreal is in the frame - wasn't he also complicit in that evil plan?

 

[Mary MacDonald]

We probably need an experienced manager with some success on his CV considering the position we're in.

But who in the right mind would want to manage the furthest northern team who are 3rd from bottom in L2 with no money to spend and run by a club of muted incompetent loses?

Might as well give it to hellogregory.

Get a manager from a Scottish club, they won't have any issues with managing a team as far north as Carlisle.

 

[Indian Dan]

I've seen an article saying McGreal is in the frame - wasn't he also complicit in that evil plan?

He knew what was going on. Joined, signed a contract and then walked after a month. Now trying to get the contract paid up citing constructive dismissal. Not sure if he can take another job until that is ruled on. He can fucking rot.