Pilot Games - Cambridge United

[Laker]

Be great if northerners could socially distance..... The north/south divide on this is huge.

 

[valefan16]

Be great if northerners could socially distance..... The north/south divide on this is huge.

What was the announcement?

 

[Laker]

What was the announcement?

Not an announcement as such but the difference in total cases and hospital admissions between Manchester/Liverpool/Newcastle and cities in the south is ridiculous, like 10 times higher in the north than in the south at the moment.

 

[valefan16]

Not an announcement as such but the difference in total cases and hospital admissions between Manchester/Liverpool/Newcastle and cities in the south is ridiculous, like 10 times higher in the north than in the south at the moment.

I think it’s more down to population density though, Cambridge, Peterborough and the like are fairly rurally located whereas Manchester, Liverpool etc are all in that real clogged area of the nation... and have high numbers of terrace highly dense housing.

Take where I live in Leicestershire, Leicester, Wigston and Oadby have been in lockdown for months and at one point easily the worst affected areas and on a full lockdown...

I live 12 miles away and NW Leicestershire has some of the lowest rates in the Midlands but it’s fairly rural, largest town has about 30k in it and a load of small towns and villages.

 

[Laker]

I think it’s more down to population density though, Cambridge, Peterborough and the like are fairly rurally located whereas Manchester, Liverpool etc are all in that real clogged area of the nation... and have high numbers of terrace highly dense housing.

Take where I live in Leicestershire, Leicester, Wigston and Oadby have been in lockdown for months and at one point easily the worst affected areas and on a full lockdown...

I live 12 miles away and NW Leicestershire has some of the lowest rates in the Midlands but it’s fairly rural, largest town has about 30k in it and a load of small towns and villages.

Yeah but they quoted the following cases per day last week:

Manchester - 532
Liverpool - 468
Newcastle - 453

Bristol - 32
Norwich - 48
London - 60

I fully accept that Bristol and Norwich may possibly have lower population densities than the three northern cities but no chance with London. And the issue extends further in the north west than just Manchester and Liverpool to basically every other town that way.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Not an announcement as such but the difference in total cases and hospital admissions between Manchester/Liverpool/Newcastle and cities in the south is ridiculous, like 10 times higher in the north than in the south at the moment.

The poorest parts of the country have the highest rates of infection. Doesn't take a genius.
People are in poorer health, and the health services get less funding. Here's a link: NHS funding's north-south divide: why the 'sicker' north gets less money

It's almost like there's some kind of north/south divide...

 

[Laker]

The poorest parts of the country have the highest rates of infection. Doesn't take a genius.
People are in poorer health, and the health services get less funding. Here's a link: NHS funding's north-south divide: why the 'sicker' north gets less money

It's almost like there's some kind of north/south divide...

Hey I expected a north/south divide for the exact reasons you give but I didn’t really expect it to be 10 times different.

 

[valefan16]

Hey I expected a north/south divide for the exact reasons you give but I didn’t really expect it to be 10 times different.

Didn’t London get harder hit in March though? They were saying this time it is more regionalised though, in March it was U.K. wide whilst in Europe Milan and that area took a walloping in Italy and Madrid in Spain for instance which didn’t happen here.

 

[Essex2Wessex]

This looks like the latest official stats for cases per head of population https://assets.publishing.service.g...ent_data/file/923905/Contain_Watchlist-v2.pdf

The place in the south (not counting the West Midlands as the south) worst affected seems to the London Borough of Redbridge, then Luton, then Barking & Dagenham. I don't know Luton, but I do know the other two, and they are far from the densest areas of London, although B&D is among the poorest. But even the worst of those has a rate under a quarter of the worst-affected places overall in the NW. The north-west getting hit hard now.

 

[valefan16]

Looks like the announcement is a new kit by what Hannant has retweeted

 

[Laker]

Looks like the announcement is a new kit by what Hannant has retweeted

Yep it’s rather underwhelming to say the least.

 

[Casey]

I honestly don't know why there is this north/south divide at the moment but it is a little simplistic to say it is poverty driven.

Firstly, the most deprived areas in the UK are in London. Secondly, what are the poor people doing thats so different from the rich (in this instance)?

I have an inkling it may have something to do with vitamin D levels but, I don't know.

Casey

 

[Super_horns]

Don’t think we will be seeing fans in grounds for a while yet..

No timeframe for fans returning

The government has refused to say when it expects spectators to be allowed back inside sports venues.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Laker]

Yeah we’ve got 40m does of the Pfizer vaccine on order which will cover 20m people so some 55m in this country won’t be immune to it. Will protect the most vulnerable and front line workers but the virus will still be around so no surprise really.

 

[Indian Dan]

Thought Boris had ordered 300m doses.

 

[masi51]

Thought Boris had ordered 300m doses.

he has combined with other vaccine makers....ie he did not put all his eggs in one basket

 

[Laker]

He has ordered something like that but he hedged his bets across about six different vaccines iirc. He ordered 40m doses of the one which is on the verge of approval with the rest on vaccines still in development. They haven’t said whether the government will up its order of the “winner” or whether they’ll see if another one becomes successful too. They’d obviously like the Oxford vaccine to be successful as it’s British developed.

 

[Super_horns]

Fans back in Tier one places?

Might get people to comply more if there is hope..

Government considers shock move to allow fans into Premier League and other elite grounds by Christmas

Four-figure crowds in low-risk areas are thought to be the most likely option for ministers, with fans on a pilot basis in tier 1 areas

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[valefan16]

Fans back in Tier one places?

Might get people to comply more if there is hope..

Government considers shock move to allow fans into Premier League and other elite grounds by Christmas

Four-figure crowds in low-risk areas are thought to be the most likely option for ministers, with fans on a pilot basis in tier 1 areas

www.telegraph.co.uk

Don’t think there will be many tier 1 places left! Certainly most of the cities will be 2 or 3 as it stands.

 

[Indian Dan]

We’re in Tier 1.

 

[valefan16]

We’re in Tier 1.

I am in NW Leicestershire by pre lockdown but now it’s in the top 50 so how we come out may be very different.

Think Vale was tier 2 pre lockdown.

 

[Laker]

We might be tier 1. We have a high number of confirmed cases but that’s because Cambridge University is testing every student on a weekly basis, regardless of symptoms. Cases in and around Cambridge are generally pretty low.

 

[Super_horns]

Guess it's a case and see what happens during the Christmas period if we still aren't in lockdown as no doubt people will go out etc and numbers might rise.

 

[Bone Idle]

Yeah we’ve got 40m does of the Pfizer vaccine on order which will cover 20m people so some 55m in this country won’t be immune to it. Will protect the most vulnerable and front line workers but the virus will still be around so no surprise really.

The american company moderna are the furthest ahead, they say their vaccine is now 95% effective and should be ready for distribution by early december,

Fingers, toes and nuts crossed.

 

[Laker]

The american company moderna are the furthest ahead, they say their vaccine is now 95% effective and should be ready for distribution by early december,

Fingers, toes and nuts crossed.

Yep it’s going to be a combination of all the vaccines I imagine.

 

[valefan16]

Yep it’s going to be a combination of all the vaccines I imagine.

Think overall they’ve got 300 million on order with various, assume all are two shots that covers us by over double if all work.

Theoretically if the elderly and vulnerable are immunised the virus is then far less dangerous as they account for the vast majority of deaths so by that point certainly any third wave should see very low fatality rates if we can get them immunised fast enough.

 

[Laker]

Think overall they’ve got 300 million on order with various, assume all are two shots that covers us by over double if all work.

Theoretically if the elderly and vulnerable are immunised the virus is then far less dangerous as they account for the vast majority of deaths so by that point certainly any third wave should see very low fatality rates if we can get them immunised fast enough.

Yep I reckon we can open up the country again once around 15-20m are vaccinated as the remaining 55m or so are less vulnerable to it. Obviously vaccinating the rest should happen as ideally no one gets ill but in the meantime the majority of people will on the whole recover anyway.

Im having fun with anti vaxxers on Facebook now. They’re a fine breed.

 

[SVH]

Fans set to be allowed at outdoor sports

Up to 4,000 fans are set to be allowed at outdoor events in the lowest-risk areas when the national lockdown in England ends.

www.bbc.co.uk

Looks like the weekend of 5th Dec could include fans.

 

[Super_horns]

Sounds good.

Guess there is time for it to change in terms of the tiers ?

 

[SVH]

I believe the tiers are to be announced Thursday to allow businesses to prepare for reopening, which will of course, be based on the tier they're in.

Unless something goes horribly wrong in that region it should remain the same for 5th Dec. I would imagine most of the north west will have to still watch on iFollow.