Refwatch

[Boz]

Not seen the full game. It is possible to have a middle ground in that situation, where there is a coming together but not enough for a penalty so play on. Given Clough likes laying into players did he have a go at them for getting sent off in the post match?

 

[RiftHouseLad]

At least we'll have a decent ref on Saturday.

 

[masi51]

At least we'll have a decent ref on Saturday.

No such thing !!

 

[Deepcut Cobbler]

The issue is that immediately before the Clarke sending off, Quinn should have been awarded a penalty. If the referee thought it wasn’t a penalty then Quinn should have been booked for diving. In either case the game would have been stopped and the breakaway down field would not have happened, poor refereeing.

Not necessarily, he could have played an advantage to allow the breakaway and cautioned the player after.

 

[Boz]

Fri 10th Sep 2021
Barrow AFC (First Team) v Colchester United FC (First Team)
Referee: Mather, Simon

Harrogate Town FC (First Team) v Newport County AFC (First Team)
Referee: Allison, Sam

Sat 11th Sep 2021
Crawley Town (First Team) v Carlisle United (First Team)
Referee: Reeves, Tom

Forest Green Rovers (First Team) v Northampton Town FC (First Team)
Referee: Oldham, Scott

Hartlepool United FC (First Team) v Bristol Rovers (First Team)
Referee: Welch, Rebecca

Leyton Orient FC (First Team) v Oldham Athletic FC (First Team)
Referee: Toner, Ben

Rochdale AFC (First Team) v Tranmere Rovers FC (First Team)
Referee: Breakspear, Charles

Salford City FC (First Team) v Bradford City FC (First Team)
Referee: Simpson, Jeremy

Scunthorpe United FC (First Team) v Exeter City FC (First Team)
Referee: Brook, Carl

Sutton United FC (First Team) v Stevenage FC (First Team)
Referee: Kettle, Trevor

Swindon Town FC (First Team) v Port Vale FC (First Team)
Referee: Hair, Neil

Walsall FC (First Team) v Mansfield Town F.C. (First Team)
Referee: Rock, David

This weekend's offerings. Mr Breakspear is a bit quick to reach for the cards but not usually one of the worst at this level.

 

[MadJohn]

Rebecca Welch's fourth Hartlepool match. I can remember nothing to complain about from her three other games. She has been very good.

Curiously she has only taken charge of matches against teams beginning with B, with Bristol Rovers now joining Boreham Wood, Barrow, and Bromley.

 

[chipmunx]

Rebecca Welch's fourth Hartlepool match. I can remember nothing to complain about from her three other games. She has been very good.

Curiously she has only taken charge of matches against teams beginning with B, with Bristol Rovers now joining Boreham Wood, Barrow, and Bromley.

been good every time she's reffed us too.

 

[Fedora Dale]

been good every time she's reffed us too.

Was excellent for Dale v Colchester.

 

[Loyal Dale]

Was excellent for Dale v Colchester.

She had a really good game against Bolchester United (in keeping of Madjohn's theory)

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Sutton to record their first win, as Kettle is a massive homer.

 

[Trapdoor]

Don't think kettle is a homer necessarily just completely shite.

 

[shoddycollins]

Sutton to record their first win, as Kettle is a massive homer.

he's a massive something *er

I think if your team comes out of a Kettle match feeling that decisions went your way it's probably luck more than anything else. He makes bad decisions, but seemingly at random. He's a bit different from most of the other bad refs in this division. While you usually call out refs who lose control of the game, Kettle has the opposite problem, he controls the game too much. He'll spend most it with the ball tucked under his arm.

 

[shoddycollins]

Rebecca Welch's fourth Hartlepool match. I can remember nothing to complain about from her three other games. She has been very good.

Curiously she has only taken charge of matches against teams beginning with B, with Bristol Rovers now joining Boreham Wood, Barrow, and Bromley.

Just checked... she's from Sun'lan'... which probably explains why she's reffed so many Hartlepool games.

 

[MadJohn]

Just checked... she's from Sun'lan'... which probably explains why she's reffed so many Hartlepool games.

I'm surprised she gets any of our games, given how close Sunlnd is to Hartlepool and how paranoid football fans can be. I bet some of our fans would kick off if Saturday's ref was from Weston-super-Mare or Bradford-on-Avon

 

[shoddycollins]

I'm surprised she gets any of our games, given how close Sunlnd is to Hartlepool and how paranoid football fans can be. I bet some of our fans would kick off if Saturday's ref was from Weston-super-Mare or Bradford-on-Avon

We once had a linesman who not only was born in Carlisle, but was the son of former Carlisle United player and manager Paul Simpson.

Granted it was in the Pizza Trophy (or the Checkafraud or whatever it was called back then) so nobody gave a shit.

 

[MadJohn]

We once had a linesman who not only was born in Carlisle, but was the son of former Carlisle United player and manager Paul Simpson.

Granted it was in the Pizza Trophy (or the Checkafraud or whatever it was called back then) so nobody gave a shit.

I once attended a Football League match against Bury at Gigg Lane that was refereed by a former Bury player!

 

[shoddycollins]

I once attended a Football League match against Bury at Gigg Lane that was refereed by a former Bury player!

This guy?

Steve Baines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I suppose he only played seven times for them while on loan... but worth noting he recieved the only red card of his career there.

 

[Reremnart]

Sutton to record their first win, as Kettle is a massive homer

I don`t know about him being a massive homer. He`s certainly a massive tool. It seems he has apoligised to us for the penalty he gave against us at Scunthorpe the other week according to Micky Mellon. That makes it all right then obviously.

Meanwhile after getting Andy Haines and Brian Kettle for our first away games of the season we get Charles Breakspear for the next one. I wonder how long it will be before we get my all time favourite Mr Boyeson about whom I made a promise that I will never go to another game with him in charge otherwise I will be the first fan in English history to run on the pitch and strangle the ref in front of thousands of witnesses.

 

[MadJohn]

This guy?

Steve Baines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I suppose he only played seven times for them while on loan... but worth noting he recieved the only red card of his career there.

That's the chap. Magnum P.I.!

 

[Grumpy Grecian]

Relative EFL newby Carl Brooks for us.
Looking at his record, he seems to have handed out more cards than Moonpig during his short career!!!

 

[Boz]

I don`t know about him being a massive homer. He`s certainly a massive tool. It seems he has apoligised to us for the penalty he gave against us at Scunthorpe the other week according to Micky Mellon. That makes it all right then obviously.

Meanwhile after getting Andy Haines and Brian Kettle for our first away games of the season we get Charles Breakspear for the next one. I wonder how long it will be before we get my all time favourite Mr Boyeson about whom I made a promise that I will never go to another game with him in charge otherwise I will be the first fan in English history to run on the pitch and strangle the ref in front of thousands of witnesses.

Probably shouldn’t say this, but go to his next Rovers game and eliminate. You’d get plenty of Rovers fans as defence witnesses at any trial.

 

[Reremnart]

been good every time she's reffed us too.

We haven`t had her yet, if you pardon the pun, so can I assume she is newly promoted from the VNL. We have had female linos in the past and they have been an upgrade on their male counterparts I have to say.

 

[RiftHouseLad]

We haven`t had her yet, if you pardon the pun, so can I assume she is newly promoted from the VNL. We have had female linos in the past and they have been an upgrade on their male counterparts I have to say.

Like MadJohn said she,s done a few of our games, And been pretty decent.
Think she may be fast tracked if she keeps it up.

Now we all know the FA would never do such a thing, HaHa

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Don't think kettle is a homer necessarily just completely shite.

agree he is not a homer in fact I suspect is the home side most likely to feel unhappy with his performance. He is certainly something massive.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Mad John raises an interesting point. Should there be a career path for ex-players ala Cricket umpires?

If there is then they need to be fast tracked. I am not against it, but it is harder to do than I think most players realise. They certainly could not do worse than Mr Pot.

Reffing may not be totally alien to ex-pros, but running the line would be. Some of you may remember when in 1972 Jimmy Hill who was in the crowd came on and ran the line for an injured Lino at the Arsenal V Liverpool game. Hill was a qualified ref so might have been an appropriate person. I got to know the other Lino when I ran the line for him a few times. To put it politely he was not complimentary to Hill’s performance.

Conversely, I knew someone who ran the line on the football league and was a minor counties umpire. But because he had not played first class cricket at that time he could never get on to the First Class Umpires list, though that has now changed.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

agree he is not a homer in fact I suspect is the home side most likely to feel unhappy with his performance. He is certainly something massive.

I should point out, we've only ever had him for away games...

I did see him a couple of times back when he started out, and I remember discussing with my mate how shit he was then! How has he got away with it for nearly two decades???

 

[Bottega Don]

Kettle has reffed us twice over the past two seasons.

In our home game against Tranmere, he gave us a penalty that never was. In our away game at Walsall, he gave them a penalty that never was.

That backs up the fact he's a homer but I think he's just generally incompetent.

 

[MadJohn]

Mad John raises an interesting point. Should there be a career path for ex-players ala Cricket umpires?

If there is then they need to be fast tracked. I am not against it, but it is harder to do than I think most players realise. They certainly could not do worse than Mr Pot.

Reffing may not be totally alien to ex-pros, but running the line would be. Some of you may remember when in 1972 Jimmy Hill who was in the crowd came on and ran the line for an injured Lino at the Arsenal V Liverpool game. Hill was a qualified ref so might have been an appropriate person. I got to know the other Lino when I ran the line for him a few times. To put it politely he was not complimentary to Hill’s performance.

Conversely, I knew someone who ran the line on the football league and was a minor counties umpire. But because he had not played first class cricket at that time he could never get on to the First Class Umpires list, though that has now changed.

Very few pros seem to look at refereeing as the next step after playing, with Baines as the pretty much the only notable exception. I suppose there are easier ways to stay involved in the game that don't involve weekly abuse. A fast track system would be almost a necessity for anyone wh dud want to do it, given that they wouldn't usually stop playing until well into their 30s.

Anth Lormor (ex Lincoln, Chesterfield, Mansfield, Hartlepool) did briefly pursue a refereeing career on retirement but not for very long.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Very few pros seem to look at refereeing as the next step after playing, with Baines as the pretty much the only notable exception. I suppose there are easier ways to stay involved in the game that don't involve weekly abuse. A fast track system would be almost a necessity for anyone wh dud want to do it, given that they wouldn't usually stop playing until well into their 30s.

Anth Lormor (ex Lincoln, Chesterfield, Mansfield, Hartlepool) did briefly pursue a refereeing career on retirement but not for very long.

Think he got disillusioned with how slow the fast track is. In cricket it is a viable option, but then I guess the different in wedge between a journeyman county player and a First Class umpire is probably not massive.

 

[Super_horns]

Would have to be lower league players or ones who have maybe dropped out of the game.

I cannot see too many Premier league or Championship players bothering to take time out of their retirement to do courses then run around for 90 minutes each weekend getting all sorts of abuse and probably thrown allegations of bias for or against a team because they once got sent off at a certain ground .