Shearer or Rooney

[Madejski]

Shearer was also playing in much worse sides than Rooney, so have as good / better goal scoring record is remarkable.

Still think Rooney was ruined shortly after moving to United. He used to be that player whose first aim every time he received the ball was to attack/bring it forward, must have been taught out of him. You wouldn't use those words to describe him now. Possibly why his goal return never reached the heights we thought he could. Hasn't done too badly for his all round game, but comparing striker vs striker it harms him a lot.

 

[Christian Slater]

It was only after five or so seasons that Rooney played as a proper striker for United, until then he was often further wide. Shearer has always been played as a striker.

 

[johnnytodd]

Rooney scores more,assists more, wins more and is the poorer player.

 

[Pagnell]

Except he doesn't score more. You'll get there eventually, I'm sure.

 

[IanH]

Another point in favour of Shearer (I am surprised so many think he's better though) is that he suffered some very nasty injuries. He snapped his anterior cruciate ligament early in his Blackburn days and then his ankle ligaments for Newcastle in 1997. To come back from both with the strike rate he did really does show not only the dedication he had, but also the ability to change his game, as surely he did. Rooney comes back overweight every season, and is one bad injury away from never being fully fit again.

 

[johnnytodd]

Except he doesn't score more. You'll get there eventually, I'm sure.

He scores more per season and assists more per season on average both domestically and internationally and he wins trophies all this not as a striker.
Simple really but keep trying

 

[johnnytodd]

Another point in favour of Shearer (I am surprised so many think he's better though) is that he suffered some very nasty injuries. He snapped his anterior cruciate ligament early in his Blackburn days and then his ankle ligaments for Newcastle in 1997. To come back from both with the strike rate he did really does show not only the dedication he had, but also the ability to change his game, as surely he did. Rooney comes back overweight every season, and is one bad injury away from never being fully fit again.

Doesn't really matter though he's won the lot.

 

[IanH]

Doesn't really matter though he's won the lot.

Did somebody say something?

 

[Pagnell]

He scores more per season and assists more per season on average both domestically and internationally and he wins trophies all this not as a striker.
Simple really but keep trying

Have you actually checked the scoring stats? I've already pointed out that, using your own stat (average goals per season) Shearer has scored more. Yet you still say Rooney scored more. It's endearing in a way.

 

[mistermagic]

what have you got against polls mate?

My opinions are too valuable.

 

[Kyle Hatch]

i don't know why your comparing and out and out striker with someone who's played all over the shop.

if i was building my team round a classic number 9, shearer all day, but if i was building a team i thought would win the league it be alot closer, i might accommodate both. Depends on qhat make up and when.

 

[Mr. Scruff]

It's closer than GB thinks . Rooney at his best was by far a better all round player and excelled both as a number 9 and 10. Quite simpply when Rooney was on form he was one of the better footballers on the planet. The problem with him was he has a bottom level lower than most other top level footballers who tend to just disappear or be neat and tidy when out of form. That coupled with the constant desire to play down his ability and sieze upon any poor moments led to a level of scrutiny no player could withstand.

He's nowhere near the player he was now bu the idea that is held by a lot of people that he was ruined by Ferguson and his best form was when he was a kid is absolutely laughable. He was, barring the odd bad run of form, fucking brilliant anywhere from 2006 to about 2013.

All that said the correct answer is Shearer, whose only behind Henry as the leagues greatest ever Striker.

Rooney could very well be next on the list. He's there or there abouts.

 

[JoshBCFC]

Doesn't really matter though he's won the lot.

And that makes a difference in quality because...

 

[Pagnell]

....Spear said so.

 

[johnnytodd]

It's closer than GB thinks . Rooney at his best was by far a better all round player and excelled both as a number 9 and 10. Quite simpply when Rooney was on form he was one of the better footballers on the planet. The problem with him was he has a bottom level lower than most other top level footballers who tend to just disappear or be neat and tidy when out of form. That coupled with the constant desire to play down his ability and sieze upon any poor moments led to a level of scrutiny no player could withstand.

He's nowhere near the player he was now bu the idea that is held by a lot of people that he was ruined by Ferguson and his best form was when he was a kid is absolutely laughable. He was, barring the odd bad run of form, fucking brilliant anywhere from 2006 to about 2013.

All that said the correct answer is Shearer, whose only behind Henry as the leagues greatest ever Striker.

Rooney could very well be next on the list. He's there or there abouts.

Yes but the armchairs who believe 'everything said on Sky Sports News is correct' brigade don't understand is other than scoring goals Shearer was average.............Rooney is 10 times the player overall and that is what the OP asked, not who is the best goal scorer..........Rooney wins that too because he's scored more on average per season.

 

[Pagnell]

Except he hasn't. Isn't this fun!

 

[johnnytodd]

Have you actually checked the scoring stats? I've already pointed out that, using your own stat (average goals per season) Shearer has scored more. Yet you still say Rooney scored more. It's endearing in a way.

Shearer scored 379 league goals over 19 years = 19.94 per year
Shearer scored 30 national goals over 9 years = 3.33 per year

Rooney scored 250 league goals over 14 years = 20.83 per year
Rooney scored 49 goals per year over 13 years = 3.76 per year

the facts are they're for all to see

leaves thread victorious never to return !

 

[Pagnell]

Shearer scored 379 league goals over 19 years = 19.94 per year
Shearer scored 30 national goals over 9 years = 3.33 per year

Rooney scored 250 league goals over 14 years = 20.83 per year
Rooney scored 49 goals per year over 13 years = 3.76 per year

the facts are they're for all to see

leaves thread victorious never to return !

Victorious you say? In what world does 250 divided by 14 = 20.83? Let's have a look at the actual figures shall we, rather than ones you have mixed up or outright fabricated.

League only:-

Shearer -- 283 goals in 19 seasons = 14.89 goals per season average.
Rooney -- 185 goals in 13 seasons (14 would include this season, which is unfair on Rooney) = 14.23 goals per season.

All competitions:-

Shearer -- 379 goals in 19 seasons = 19.94 goals per season.
Rooney -- 247 goals in 13 season = 19 goals per season.

International --

Shearer -- 30 in 9 seasons = 3.3 goals per season.
Rooney -- 49 in 13 seasons = 3.7 goals per season.

So domestically Shearer wins whatever way you look at it, including goals per game and your own average per season. Internationally Rooney edges it, but I bet if you look at the goals that Shearer scored, there were more against quality opposition than Rooney's efforts, which have mostly been in qualifying rounds. Still, you can only score against who you're up against and I take nothing away from him for that, I just feel it's worth mention.

There is some truth to an element of pointlessness in the comparison in the first place, and Rooney deserves credit for not being an out and out striker (or not being used as one at least) whilst still keeping up with the likes of Shearer in the overall scoring stake. And I have already said he has more to his game in my very first post. But Shearer is winning this poll for good reason. You can put it down to lack of footballing knowledge if it makes you feel superior better, but the truth is simply that the majority of people who have voted believe he would result in more points for their imaginary team than Rooney, and that's far from an unreasonable claim.

 

[johnnytodd]

Victorious you say? In what world does 250 divided by 14 = 20.83? Let's have a look at the actual figures shall we, rather than ones you have mixed up or outright fabricated.

League only:-

Shearer -- 283 goals in 19 seasons = 14.89 goals per season average.
Rooney -- 185 goals in 13 seasons (14 would include this season, which is unfair on Rooney) = 14.23 goals per season.

All competitions:-

Shearer -- 379 goals in 19 seasons = 19.94 goals per season.
Rooney -- 250 goals in 13 season = 19.23 goals per season.

International --

Shearer -- 30 in 9 seasons = 3.3 goals per season.
Rooney -- 49 in 13 seasons = 3.7 goals per season.

So domestically Shearer wins whatever way you look at it, including goals per game and your own average per season. Internationally Rooney edges it, but I bet if you look at the goals that Shearer scored, there were more against quality opposition than Rooney's efforts, which have mostly been in qualifying rounds. Still, you can only score against who you're up against and I take nothing away from him for that, I just feel it's worth mention.

There is some truth to an element of pointlessness in the comparison in the first place, and Rooney deserves credit for not being an out and out striker (or not being used as one at least) whilst still keeping up with the likes of Shearer in the overall scoring stake. And I have already said he has more to his game in my very first post. But Shearer is winning this poll for good reason. You can put it down to lack of footballing knowledge if it makes you feel superior better, but the truth is simply that the majority of people who have voted believe he would result in more points for their imaginary team than Rooney, and that's far from an unreasonable claim.

At last you agree with me

 

[Pagnell]

The farce is strong with this one.

 

[johnnytodd]

The farce is strong with this one.

 

[mnb089mnb]

How does Wayne Rooney's Champions League goalscoring record compare with Shearer's?

 

[mnb089mnb]

Another point in favour of Shearer (I am surprised so many think he's better though) is that he suffered some very nasty injuries. He snapped his anterior cruciate ligament early in his Blackburn days and then his ankle ligaments for Newcastle in 1997. To come back from both with the strike rate he did really does show not only the dedication he had, but also the ability to change his game, as surely he did. Rooney comes back overweight every season, and is one bad injury away from never being fully fit again.

You get the feeling with Wayne Rooney that his career could fall off a cliff at any moment. It almost wouldn't surprise me if he only got to about 55 England goals and retired at the end of next season - with perhaps a few years in MLS.

 

[Pagnell]

How does Wayne Rooney's Champions League goalscoring record compare with Shearer's?

Shearer 20 games, scored 8.
Rooney 84 games, scored 33.

So relatively similar.

 

[johnnytodd]

Shearer 20 games, scored 8.
Rooney 84 games, scored 33.

So relatively similar.

Pagnell logic:

 

[Pagnell]

If I have to explain to you why they're similar, it's not worth the effort.

 

[johnnytodd]

If I have to explain to you why they're similar, it's not worth the effort.

Pagnell logic:

Roman Pavlyuchenko is better than Shearer and Rooney as he has scored 9 goals in 21 games in Champions League.

 

[Pagnell]

A question was posted about how their CL goalscoring stats compare. Given that Rooney has played in far more CL seasons than Shearer, thanks to playing for a far superior club, he will have obviously played in far more Champions League games. But the key is that they have both scored a goal every 2.5 games they have played, this makes their stats similar in the only way they can be measured. It's also worth pointing out that I'm not suggesting the stats makes one of the players better than the other, I'm simply answering the (perhaps leading) question mnb089mnb posted.

bama:

 

[johnnytodd]

Pagnell logic

 

[Pagnell]

I note you don't offer an alternative method of comparing their "Champions League goalscoring record" in order to answer the question. Feel free to enlighten us. Just don't resort to maths without asking a friend to check it first.