The BELEAGUERED Carlisle Utd Thread

[DearneValleyRover]

Well our physio just quit so currently we're looking for a new one. You don't know anyone do you?

You can have our old one, if you want the rest of your squad on the treatment table

 

[ForzaCounty]

Third in the form table over the last ten games. Imagine if their squad didn't look like a Donbas field hospital

 

[hellogregory]

The injury situation laws starting to look a bit better, until two defenders broke down during the Salford game.

Down to the bare bones at the back now.

 

[GTFCfish]

This footage from the Carlisle United training ground should clear some things up

It is possible though that the difference between ourselves and other clubs isn't so much that we are getting worse injuries but that Simpson wants players to be closer to full fitness before he'll take them off the injury list.

Genuine attempt to play the ball, no foul.

 

[hellogregory]

After being dumped out of the FA Cup today, that’s now 4 defeats in the last 9 in all comps. Only 3 wins. The decline is starting, even if most Carlisle fans will choose to ignore it. Thankfully we’re in a solid secure league position despite having a terrible goalkeeper.

And now injuries… Our first choice right back joins the long injury list after shredding his hamstring last week. 4 months out.
Our other right back is still not back, he’s been out since February.
In the past week we’ve picked up more injuries to two more centre backs, out with mystery injuries, rumours it’s punctured lungs and liver problems.

This season has been utterly disastrous on the injury front. It’s a miracle we are where we are in the league. Can see our luck running out when we face the likes of Barrow, Northampton and Bradford over the next month.

 

[shoddycollins]

still waiting to find out the extent of Ryan Edmondson's injury, still... our injury list looks as short as it has been all season.

Only Simons, Back, Barclay, Dickenson, Dixon, Patrick, Fishburn and Edmondson currently out injured. Enough to give me hope we might avoid relegation. Bad news for the likes of Hartlepool and Gillingham as the relegation battle is blown wide open again.

 

[PuB]

still waiting to find out the extent of Ryan Edmondson's injury, still... our injury list looks as short as it has been all season.

Only Simons, Back, Barclay, Dickenson, Dixon, Patrick, Fishburn and Edmondson currently out injured. Enough to give me hope we might avoid relegation. Bad news for the likes of Hartlepool and Gillingham as the relegation battle is blown wide open again.

Hang on, are you making a late bid while BELEAGURED Gillingham carry on losing?

 

[BarraMatt]

It's only taken Lumsdon's promotion shoe-ins 22 games to get their noses in front of their tinpot South Cumbrian cousins.

 

[E10rifle]

Only 18 teams now separating DOOMED Carlisle from relegation.

 

[hellogregory]

still waiting to find out the extent of Ryan Edmondson's injury, still... our injury list looks as short as it has been all season.

Only Simons, Back, Barclay, Dickenson, Dixon, Patrick, Fishburn and Edmondson currently out injured. Enough to give me hope we might avoid relegation. Bad news for the likes of Hartlepool and Gillingham as the relegation battle is blown wide open again.

Remember we’ve still got the January storm to ride. With our club owners history of flogging any half decent players I wouldn’t be getting cocky until at least February.

 

[hellogregory]

It's only taken Lumsdon's promotion shoe-ins 22 games to get their noses in front of their tinpot South Cumbrian cousins.

I’m sure we were briefly ahead of you for 1 or 2 magical weeks in October or November before normal service resumed.

With us now facing 2 away games and you having 2 at home, I’m expecting it’ll be back to normal next week.

 

[hellogregory]

still waiting to find out the extent of Ryan Edmondson's injury, still... our injury list looks as short as it has been all season.

Only Simons, Back, Barclay, Dickenson, Dixon, Patrick, Fishburn and Edmondson currently out injured. Enough to give me hope we might avoid relegation. Bad news for the likes of Hartlepool and Gillingham as the relegation battle is blown wide open again.

You just had to say something didn’t you

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609203278033690628

 

[shoddycollins]

You just had to say something didn’t you

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609203278033690628

I take full responsibility for this and realise that my position as resident Carlisle optimist has become untenable. I have tended my resignation to BigDaveCUFC

Just don't appoint Carver next, whatever you do.

 

[Moonie]

You just had to say something didn’t you

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609203278033690628

Luckily Joel Senior is available again, though it's unclear if he's 100%. Harris did a decent job at RWB in the second half at Crewe, though we were playing against 10 men for the last 40 minutes. Still a blow, Ellis has been excellent this season and has huge potential - and with Fin Back out for the next few months we're now short of cover on both sides.

Charters was really finding his feet, so for him to potentially miss the bulk of our remaining season is pretty hard to take. Gibson can drop back into midfield, or perhaps Harris can step up.

From what I've read on this forum, you'll probably tell me we're going down because of this

 

[hellogregory]

Luckily Joel Senior is available again, though it's unclear if he's 100%. Harris did a decent job at RWB in the second half at Crewe, though we were playing against 10 men for the last 40 minutes. Still a blow, Ellis has been excellent this season and has huge potential - and with Fin Back out for the next few months we're now short of cover on both sides.

Charters was really finding his feet, so for him to potentially miss the bulk of our remaining season is pretty hard to take. Gibson can drop back into midfield, or perhaps Harris can step up.

From what I've read on this forum, you'll probably tell me we're going down because of this

Oh look, some new blood.

Senior should start, even if he can only do an hour. Harris did alright but the few times Crewe’s winger faced him up 1 on 1 he looked like a midfielder filling in at right back.

Think I’d opt for Devitt replacing Charters.

 

[shoddycollins]

Luckily Joel Senior is available again, though it's unclear if he's 100%. Harris did a decent job at RWB in the second half at Crewe, though we were playing against 10 men for the last 40 minutes. Still a blow, Ellis has been excellent this season and has huge potential - and with Fin Back out for the next few months we're now short of cover on both sides.

Charters was really finding his feet, so for him to potentially miss the bulk of our remaining season is pretty hard to take. Gibson can drop back into midfield, or perhaps Harris can step up.

From what I've read on this forum, you'll probably tell me we're going down because of this

I think senior is pretty much ready to go, though would expect him to be a bit rusty. The fact he hasn't been on the bench lately is more a reflection of the faith Simmo has in Jack Ellis than a reluctance about Senior's fitness.

I like the idea of Devitt too

 

[Moonie]

Oh look, some new blood.

Senior should start, even if he can only do an hour. Harris did alright but the few times Crewe’s winger faced him up 1 on 1 he looked like a midfielder filling in at right back.

Think I’d opt for Devitt replacing Charters.

Certainly agree regarding Senior, but Simmo today referenced the possibility of playing somebody out of position, which leaves open the possibility that Joel isn't ready to start yet. Harris did well on Tuesday, but like I say it was against ten men. Like everybody else, I'm a fan of Dev, and he did well when he came on the other night (that crossbar should be replaced, it's gotta be lacking structural integrity after that impact). But Gibson is fully match fit, so I think he's more likely to start in midfield with Dennis coming back into the starting xi up front.

Good thing is that we have options, despite our ridiculous injury list which continues to be a source of bewilderment. I've never seen a season like it, and it makes me wonder where we'd be if we'd had a bit more luck.

 

[Moonie]

I think senior is pretty much ready to go, though would expect him to be a bit rusty. The fact he hasn't been on the bench lately is more a reflection of the faith Simmo has in Jack Ellis than a reluctance about Senior's fitness.

Aye, and Simmo said himself that he regretted not having Joel on the bench on Tuesday given what happened to Ellis. Real shame for both Ellis and Charters, both were coming on really well.

 

[shoddycollins]

Aye, and Simmo said himself that he regretted not having Joel on the bench on Tuesday given what happened to Ellis. Real shame for both Ellis and Charters, both were coming on really well.

I've been really excited about Charters this season. He's still young but burst through it seems such a long time ago. We've been patient with him and he's kept the fans waiting while biding his time out on loan, but his potential was recognised and rightly so. Great seeing him doing so well.

 

[Moonie]

I've been really excited about Charters this season. He's still young but burst through it seems such a long time ago. We've been patient with him and he's kept the fans waiting while biding his time out on loan, but his potential was recognised and rightly so. Great seeing him doing so well.

Remember him running the game at Walsall a couple of seasons ago in a 2-0 win, and thinking he'd arrived and would be a fixture from then on. He's ended up having to work really hard, and I think that loan spell at Gateshead has worked wonders for him. Settled really well in the team of late, and developed some encouraging partnerships with Moxon, Armer, and Mellish. Big blow to lose him at this stage.

 

[hellogregory]

Whilst these injuries are not ideal, they are probably in areas where we have replacements that don’t weaken the team. I liked the look of Senior last season, and think his style might actually suit wing back more than Ellis. And weve clearly got a number of players who can play charters’ role, all be it slightly different. Where as if Huntington or Guy or someone like that were to be out injured… big problems.

The big test for us will be when the board of directors decide to cash in on the likes of Moxon, Mellish and possibly Guy. All hard to replace, so it’s going to leave Simpson with a challenge this January as I’m sure at least one of them if not more will be flogged.

 

[DearneValleyRover]

I’m sure we will heap more misery on you tomorrow, our squad have been advised to drink cocktails until 23:45 then on the Bollinger until Jools has finished just to give you a chance

 

[Moonie]

Whilst these injuries are not ideal, they are probably in areas where we have replacements that don’t weaken the team. I liked the look of Senior last season, and think his style might actually suit wing back more than Ellis. And weve clearly got a number of players who can play charters’ role, all be it slightly different. Where as if Huntington or Guy or someone like that were to be out injured… big problems.

The big test for us will be when the board of directors decide to cash in on the likes of Moxon, Mellish and possibly Guy. All hard to replace, so it’s going to leave Simpson with a challenge this January as I’m sure at least one of them if not more will be flogged.

Senior is faster and gets forward more than Ellis, who seems more defensive minded. Be good to see him back at last, like having a new signing.

It's going to take a big wedge to part us from any of the three you mention. Simpson has a lot of influence over the owners, in ways previous managers haven't. Moxon at least is contracted until 2024, and has only played for 6 months in the EFL. He's had a cracking season so far, but I feel it will be summer before we're faced with bids coming in. He's not ready to step up to championship level, and upper league 1 would be a tough ask at this point. Can't seem leaving for a lower league 1 club given our current position. Mellish and Guy I think are out of contract at the end of the season (both have an option for a further 12 months but I don't know if that's their favour or ours).

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

we are having one real weird season injuries wise, I suppose it happens here and there then other seasons you almost get none.

Did wonder this year if it has been across the board and whether a reaction at all to a shorter rushed summer. I have a feeling for us it may be moreso a reaction to how p*ss poor we were set-up last season than this year, in respect of players finally being told to work hard and improve in training from last year and not many physically prepared for the change.

 

[hellogregory]

Shit training facilities could be a factor. I don’t care what anyone says, you cannot train properly for professional football on that tiny indoor pitch we have. It must be what, quarter of the size of a full pitch. And the outdoor pitch is always either waterlogged or frozen solid. Shambles really.

 

[hellogregory]

It's going to take a big wedge to part us from any of the three you mention. Simpson has a lot of influence over the owners, in ways previous managers haven't. Moxon at least is contracted until 2024, and has only played for 6 months in the EFL. He's had a cracking season so far, but I feel it will be summer before we're faced with bids coming in. He's not ready to step up to championship level, and upper league 1 would be a tough ask at this point. Can't seem leaving for a lower league 1 club given our current position. Mellish and Guy I think are out of contract at the end of the season (both have an option for a further 12 months but I don't know if that's their favour or ours).

I admire your optimism, but I don’t believe that for a second. These owners are short sighted idiots, they'll accept the first derisory offer that arrives, they’ve got previous for it. They never see the potential growth in value of their assets, they just sell. The fact we’re 4th will be terrifying to them, so selling one or more players may just be the kick needed to send us into the mid table promised land where they want us.

 

[Moonie]

I admire your optimism, but I don’t believe that for a second. These owners are short sighted idiots, they'll accept the first derisory offer that arrives, they’ve got previous for it. They never see the potential growth in value of their assets, they just sell. The fact we’re 4th will be terrifying to them, so selling one or more players may just be the kick needed to send us into the mid table promised land where they want us.

I don't buy this stuff about them not wanting promotion (other than Nixon, perhaps). Keep our form up and we'll be seeing some pretty big crowds for the next few home games, and with a couple of signings to get folk talking, Brunton Park should be back on song.

The buzz is back.

Maybe.

 

[shoddycollins]

They're certainly super negative about getting on as a club but I don't buy the conspiracy theories about them actually benefiting from being in the bottom tier

 

[PuB]

Things are certainly looking BLEAK

 

[hellogregory]

I take full responsibility for this and realise that my position as resident Carlisle optimist has become untenable. I have tended my resignation to BigDaveCUFC

Just don't appoint Carver next, whatever you do.

Where is Carver anyway? Not heard a peep from him for a while. Hope he hasn’t got himself on the wrong side of the law.