The CUFC Northern Floods Tour 2015/16......Gig 1 Vs Notts C, Venue: Preston.

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Massive respect to Carlisle. Top dedication and loyalty.

 

[shoddycollins]

What did his son do that made things worse?

not been in the loop? His soon is a football agent and apparently at Notts he had a habit of signing crap players because his son represented them

As far as I know though, we have no players on our books represented by Curle's son.

 

[RavenBish]

not been in the loop? His soon is a football agent and apparently at Notts he had a habit of signing crap players because his son represented them

As far as I know though, we have no players on our books represented by Curle's son.

There were a fair few conflicts of interest, yes. His son isn't an agent anymore, he owns a selfie stick business or something - which is why none of your players are represented by him. He's a gigantic c**t. Curle also signed Tom Williams as a favour to his wife...genuinely not making that up either. Managers can change, couldn't really care less how he is as a manager, I've got nothing against Carlisle so I like seeing them/you do well. Curle's just a really horrid individual though, forgetting the 'football' side of things, he left us with a toxic squad who essentially got the next manager sacked (who ironically was the complete opposite to Curle and a very nice bloke) with their attitudes and you can't discredit the other reason for his swift exit from Notts. Leopards. Spots.

 

[shoddycollins]

There were a fair few conflicts of interest, yes. His son isn't an agent anymore, he owns a selfie stick business or something - which is why none of your players are represented by him. He's a gigantic c**t. Curle also signed Tom Williams as a favour to his wife...genuinely not making that up either. Managers can change, couldn't really care less how he is as a manager, I've got nothing against Carlisle so I like seeing them/you do well. Curle's just a really horrid individual though, forgetting the 'football' side of things, he left us with a toxic squad who essentially got the next manager sacked (who ironically was the complete opposite to Curle and a very nice bloke) with their attitudes and you can't discredit the other reason for his swift exit from Notts. Leopards. Spots.

Can't remember seeing that many Notts fans presenting that version of events when Kiwomya was sacked. Seemed he was disliked by most of the fanbase, nice bloke or not. Not saying that to try and debate your entire post, just surprised to see a Notts fan saying such things of Kiwomya.

 

[jacobncfc]

Kiwomya was a terrible manager but no one at Notts has a bad word to say about him as a person really.

Curle is much more disliked despite doing a lot better on the pitch, which tells you a lot.

 

[jacobncfc]

With Curle, I think he likes to think of himself as this managerial guru who builds his teams on the basis of what is trendy at the time.

We were unlucky enough to have him during the peak 4-5-1 stage in football generally, but it turned out that League One players weren't that good at five yard passes in their own half for entire games.

 

[hellogregory]

Don't worry he still does that. I've lost count of the number of goals we've conceded this season from playing 5 yard passes around the edge of our 18 yard box.

 

[shoddycollins]

The highlights are up

Also, I wanted to put up experimental361's summary of goalscoring chances again, and try and dispel a few myths which caused arguments when I put it up after the Oxford game.

Carlisle were largely able to keep Notts County quiet here: their visitors only carved out one opportunity in a dangerous position and went for long spells without shooting. Carlisle themselves were quieter than usual – particularly late on – although perhaps they decided to conserve their energy after finding themselves three up with half an hour left.

Each step represents a chance of scoring, or multiple chances if the team had multiple shots in the same minute. The height of the step represents how 'good' the opportunity was, something exp361 work out based on a number of factors, but the location the shot came from is a key one.

The point of this isn't to prove Carlisle deserved to win, rather it says Carlisle created 2.1 goals' worth of chances while Notts created exactly 1 goal's worth of chances. This doesn't mean that only lucky Carlisle and unlucky Notts meant the score was 3-0 rather than 2-1 (and I know someone is going to respond to this to say they don't care whether it was 3-0 or 2-1, all the matters is who wins); luck is a factor in why sometimes you don't score from a good chance and sometimes you do score from a half-chance. The other factors are how good the strikers are at taking their chances, and how good the goalkeeper and defenders are at saving or blocking shots. So a few other ways of looking at this could be to say Carlisle have more clinical strikers who (if you take away the penalty which was clearly the biggest scoring opportunity in the whole game) will score goals given enough half-chances , while Notts failed to put away the best opportunity in the game to score from open-play... or Carlisle have a goalkeeper who will save shots from good scoring chances while Notts don't. It could be a mixture of all of these factors, or just one of them.

The point of the graph is it's just a better way of looking at chances than the usual shots/shots on target numbers, which don't differentiate between a pot shot from range and a shot from point blank.

Regarding the penalty, you could argue that if you took it out of the equation, then since it was worth almost a whole goal in itself, it would make the match much more even... however had Kennedy not been brought down then it looked like a good chance to score was about to be carved out, so take the penalty away and you have to put a chance in in it's place, and we just don't know how good a chance that might have been.