14th - 16th September Fixtures.

[Master D]

Palmer has started every match so far and been playing well really. Up against quality like that though he has no impact and looks every bit a journeyman striker. Ultimately I think League Two is his level now but he's been doing alright so far.

Last night was a taste of our own medicine I guess, going up against a team who can spend you to oblivion and have players much better than the level. That sort of beating will be happening on the regular if we were to go up, really can't be going up again just yet.

We've played Sheffield United, Blackburn and Birmingham recently who are all standard Championship level teams really IMO and the gap has been a chasm. All away games admittedly but each game has been quite similar with us starting well but then getting run ragged and begging for the final whistle.

Just seen some of it back on telly, fuck knows what Beckham and Neville were doing there, but at least we knew their reactions every 5 seconds thanks to Sky's pathetic toadying.

 

[Bobbin']

Did Birmingham fans seem a bit arrogant? All that 'who are you' stuff. Come on lads, you should be embarrassed that was only 3-1

It’s as cringey as anything but in fairness to them they’ve always done that when the opposition makes subs, well certainly since I first went there in the early 2000s.

 

[EnglishRed]

What was Parky doing starting Ollie Palmer? Didn't do anything. Suspect Mullin will be back for the next games.
Did Birmingham fans seem a bit arrogant? All that 'who are you' stuff. Come on lads, you should be embarrassed that was only 3-1

Palmer was poor, just couldn't impose himself at all (ditto Lee and McClean who are two of our more influential players) I thought Fletcher did more in the few minutes he was on than OP. Mullin still isnt quite match fit but I do think he will be back soon- can't see Parkinson playing Mulls and Marriott together though.

Credit to Birmingham they were very good after they woke themselves up. Iwata and Paik just ran the midfield areas. But when you have a Championship team in League one that's how it should go. And I'm not complaining about that, it's what we did in the National League after all.

 

[Pilot_Phonic]

What was Parky doing starting Ollie Palmer? Didn't do anything. Suspect Mullin will be back for the next games.
Did Birmingham fans seem a bit arrogant? All that 'who are you' stuff. Come on lads, you should be embarrassed that was only 3-1

Palmer and Marriott have been really good, but to be honest they are streets and streets ahead of the division. When we had the ball we passed it to them with the red carpet but on the odd occasion we did have it, they were doubling on us stopping us playing.

Felt like a free hit as I knew we wouldn't get anything from the game. 1st goal is easily avoided by not passing the ball to Stansfield, and the 2nd and 3rd goals are well taken.

Fans are arrogant, but they should be. The fact is they had a scare for 20 minutes was quite funny. The money they spent they should be steam rolling clubs like us 5-0 without giving a shot away let alone giving a 1-0 lead.

 

[Pilot_Phonic]

Oh and also, whats the craic with fans above chucking anything and everything at us? Absolute pondlife scum. But then again, it was in Birmingham! Disgusting.

 

[Luke Imp]

Anyone else feel nauseous all this celebrity, watching over the pond bollocks?

Only had it on 5 minutes and it’s not even kicked off yet I’m throughly depressed at what’s become of our game.

As good as Sky are with MNF and general PL coverage, I don't know what's happened to the rest of it. We're also in an era of having programmes on Fantasy Football and Youtube/social media people having their own shows on Sky as well, most of it having no real constructive element to it - it's embarrassing.

 

[Luke Imp]

Birmingham were like a rabbit in headlights in the opening 10 minutes of last night , Wrexham pressed very well and were full of energy and whilst they got to grips with the game, it wasn't until the 'keeper dropped a bollock that the tide really turned.

When the game settled down, the match turned into one more akin to a cup game where the underdogs work hard, try and unsettle the opposition, have a bit of joy but ultimately just aren't good enough. More of a nod to Birmingham's quality than Wrexham's lack of - and that's probably roles reversed from when Wrexham were in the NL and L2 and a taste of their own medicine in that respect.

Wrexham got very emotional and ragged in the final stages and completely lost their shape at times, which I wasn't expecting - Cannon, Mullin and McClean just seemed to want to kick and argue with people (admittedly most of that came from Birmingham's LB leaving his foot in on one or two challenges). Mullin didn't quite get his bite in but you wonder whether he'll get a phone call reminding him it's not a good idea.

 

[Pilot_Phonic]

It does look like Mullin went for a bite, but on the other he makes no attempt at one. Mountains out of molehills and all that.

Midfield were rattled, but we started to play in their half only when they went to 10 men.

 

[Less than a mile (WAFC)]

Palmer and Marriott have been really good, but to be honest they are streets and streets ahead of the division. When we had the ball we passed it to them with the red carpet but on the odd occasion we did have it, they were doubling on us stopping us playing.

Felt like a free hit as I knew we wouldn't get anything from the game. 1st goal is easily avoided by not passing the ball to Stansfield, and the 2nd and 3rd goals are well taken.

Fans are arrogant, but they should be. The fact is they had a scare for 20 minutes was quite funny. The money they spent they should be steam rolling clubs like us 5-0 without giving a shot away let alone giving a 1-0 lead.

Not so sure if their fans have the right to be arrogant. A lot of them saying best atmosphere they've had in years last night, against small time Wrexham, when their rivals kick start their Champions League campaign the next day.

More embarrassing than anything.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[DaveBirm1875]

Morning lads an enjoyable evening, from a blues perspective a very comfortable last 70 mins of that game, first 20 odd a bit shaky but we dealt with Parkys prehistoric football very easily. I think Wrexham could play better football but if that is how they want to try and be successful then fair dos, it will work against lesser sides.

Paik and Iwata are a joke at this level, completely ran the show.

We looked miles better and so we should. All the best to Wrexham for the rest of the season.

 

[DaveBirm1875]

Not so sure if their fans have the right to be arrogant. A lot of them saying best atmosphere they've had in years last night, against small time Wrexham, when their rivals kick start their Champions League campaign the next day.

More embarrassing than anything.

Leyton Orient, Walsall and wycombe gave us more of a game this season. Hope you enjoyed your evening

 

[Conker]

I find it surprising how much Birmingham fans have dropped on their knees to the owners, considering it’s been a shitshow so far but money talks I suppose.

Really do expect them to win the title, I don’t think even a title chase is good enough they need to make it comfortable.

 

[Conker]

As good as Sky are with MNF and general PL coverage, I don't know what's happened to the rest of it. We're also in an era of having programmes on Fantasy Football and Youtube/social media people having their own shows on Sky as well, most of it having no real constructive element to it - it's embarrassing.

5 minutes in and one of the commentators said he is shocked to see Wrexham involved in a automatic promotion chase. Either he can see in the future or he is a idiot.

 

[DaveBirm1875]

I find it surprising how much Birmingham fans have dropped on their knees to the owners, considering it’s been a shitshow so far but money talks I suppose.

Really do expect them to win the title, I don’t think even a title chase is good enough they need to make it comfortable.

Our owners have made a few mistakes, a few bad ones but so what? Getting relegated long term will help us,
These owners are light years ahead of the previous two, kinda sick of having to explain tbh, they are ambitious and have done so much right off the pitch so far and we are only going to get better on it.

We drop to our knees as we finally have people now who care. Its not that hard to fathom after a decade of shite.

So we win the league, whats acceptable 10 points? 15 points?, people need to get a grip. We really could not care less as long as we go up, which we will.

 

[Pilot_Phonic]

Winning the league is an absolute minimum. You should also piss on the tin pot trophy too to make it a successful season.

 

[Conker]

Our owners have made a few mistakes, a few bad ones but so what? Getting relegated long term will help us,
These owners are light years ahead of the previous two, kinda sick of having to explain tbh, they are ambitious and have done so much right off the pitch so far and we are only going to get better on it.

We drop to our knees as we finally have people now who care. Its not that hard to fathom after a decade of shite.

So we win the league, whats acceptable 10 points? 15 points?, people need to get a grip. We really could not care less as long as we go up, which we will.

You are way too defensive. Nothing in that post suggest anything I said is actually wrong.

Your owners have made some serious mistakes which ultimately cost you relegation to a level you should be embarrassed to be at, and let’s get one thing clear the real challenge for them is not this season, it’s what they do after. The chances of Birmingham being a Ipswich are smaller than you being a Wednesday.

They ‘care’ ultimately about turning you in to a cash cow for themselves, which is fine, but let’s not pretend otherwise.

 

[DaveBirm1875]

Our owners are chasing the bag, they are business people, lack some football awareness ie last seasons cock up, but they have credit in the back. They have bought land off our bankrupt local council at a shockingly low price to build the sports quarter to make money, we are a part of that but we are not naive to not think our owners want to make the dollar. St Andrews will be sold for housing reportedly.

I am defensive as the amount of shite ive seen spouted about my club all summer has been laughable, not suggesting you have done anything of the sort, but we all defend our club to the last man. Now we cannot win either way, we win a game, 'should have won by more' we win the league no matter how we do that ' should have walked it by X amount of points' madness

We are in league one because we deserve to be there, we have not been good enough for years circling the plug hole, its a reset, our fans have completely embraced it. We have a chance to change the way we play find a winning mentality and start again.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

Palmer has started every match so far and been playing well really. Up against quality like that though he has no impact and looks every bit a journeyman striker. Ultimately I think League Two is his level now but he's been doing alright so far.

Last night was a taste of our own medicine I guess, going up against a team who can spend you to oblivion and have players much better than the level. That sort of beating will be happening on the regular if we were to go up, really can't be going up again just yet.

We've played Sheffield United, Blackburn and Birmingham recently who are all standard Championship level teams really IMO and the gap has been a chasm. All away games admittedly but each game has been quite similar with us starting well but then getting run ragged and begging for the final whistle.

Just seen some of it back on telly, fuck knows what Beckham and Neville were doing there, but at least we knew their reactions every 5 seconds thanks to Sky's pathetic toadying.

Tom Brady's hangers-on by the look of it.

I didnt watch the game myself, sky are all too predictable with their celebrity wank-fests

 

[denzel ecfc]

our fans have completely embraced it. We have a chance to change the way we play find a winning mentality and start again

Have they though? Just seem at least a few thinking they are too big for this league. Which may be true, but they weren't too big to drop into it in the first place (and to my dismay being worse than Argyle, which I keep banging on about).
Yes it is a Lazarus style turnaround but never forget why you are here.

 

[Luke Imp]

I think the point on the Birmingham owners is that being able to comfortably outspend everyone in L1 and just go out and buy the best players shouldn't let them off the hook for last season. To build some credit back up, it should be how they handle next season in the Championship, not this one.

They're doing the least that they should be expected to do after last seasons fuck up and there shouldn't be any back patting going on for getting promoted out of L1 - it should be a formality and pretty easy without any bumps in the road for them.

 

[EnglishRed]

Leyton Orient, Walsall and wycombe gave us more of a game this season. Hope you enjoyed your evening

Probably more to do with how you played against them than anything. We beat Reading comfortably but you couldn't beat them- means nothing.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

I think the point on the Birmingham owners is that being able to comfortably outspend everyone in L1 and just go out and buy the best players shouldn't let them off the hook for last season. To build some credit back up, it should be how they handle next season in the Championship, not this one.

They're doing the least that they should be expected to do after last seasons fuck up and there shouldn't be any back patting going on for getting promoted out of L1 - it should be a formality and pretty easy without any bumps in the road for them.

There will be though, just the same as the likes of Southampton and Sunderland celebrating winning the JPT like it was the Champions League

 

[Less than a mile (WAFC)]

Leyton Orient, Walsall and wycombe gave us more of a game this season. Hope you enjoyed your evening

Kind of irrelevant but ok.

 

[folletto]

I find it surprising how much Birmingham fans have dropped on their knees to the owners, considering it’s been a shitshow so far but money talks I suppose.

Really do expect them to win the title, I don’t think even a title chase is good enough they need to make it comfortable.

I can understand given with what they've been through and the money they're spending, they're ignoring all the red flags. They probably will be successful under these owners - can see the momentum from this season building into next season too.

I just hate the commercialisation of it all though. At least with Wrexham, it genuinely seems like they care about the club, its fans and its history. Birmingham's owners basing decisions on commercial aspects rather than football just goes against everything English football should be, although we have long deviated from that. Sacking a manager to bring in a more marketable one is one thing but the desperation to play a game overseas is the worst part for me. I hate the idea of it and seeing some Birmingham fans back it because they can't possibly have anything bad to say against their owners is so disappointing.

 

[Stocky]

You can't go round claiming other teams can't be celebrating if they only win leagues by x amount etc. Just not rooted in football that, nobody thinks that way when it's their team.

The biggest irritant in the whole night wasn't anyone American or North American, it was David Beckham. What a vapid bloke he is. Grinning away after the goals, he couldn't give a fuck, he's the most fake man going. If he was sat a few yards over in the Wrexham owners section he'd been gurning away when they scored instead.

 

[EnglishRed]

You can't go round claiming other teams can't be celebrating if they only win leagues by x amount etc. Just not rooted in football that, nobody thinks that way when it's their team.

The biggest irritant in the whole night wasn't anyone American or North American, it was David Beckham. What a vapid bloke he is. Grinning away after the goals, he couldn't give a fuck, he's the most fake man going. If he was sat a few yards over in the Wrexham owners section he'd been gurning away when they scored instead.

Yes 100%> At least Gary Neville had the good grace to look thoroughly pissed off by it all.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

Yes 100%> At least Gary Neville had the good grace to look thoroughly pissed off by it all.

Does he ever look anything other than pissed off though?

 

[Pilot_Phonic]

Does he ever look anything other than pissed off though?

only when he has a glass of red wine with a TV with Liverpool on it laughing at them.

 

[DaveBirm1875]

Kind of irrelevant but ok.

Not really, i was at all three games and you were comfortably 3rd out the 3 Only based on 3 90 min games of football,

I think the way we played is more the story than how Wrexham played, i think you can still have a good season, whatever you deem that to be