GodsGift
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How the hell has Corbyn not resigned yet?!
He said he won't lead the party at another election, which is pretty much as good as for now.How the hell has Corbyn not resigned yet?!
Probably no consolation whatsoever at this point, but it does seem that your efforts in Alyn and Deeside (LAB hold with majority of 213) made a positive difference.now to take a big sip of coffee and check the
Lol got in there before I could.^
Of course, logical consistency requires me to concede that, taking a UK wide view, approx. 45% voted for pro-Brexit parties and 55% voted for pro-Remain.
I can’t pretend I’m happy about that. I say it after every election, but FPTP is a terrible system and needs to go.
Woke up to the news my entire city has gone blue.
Utterly depressing that a working class city has voted for the Tories. Unbelievable.
Thanks for this. But does the winner of the ruling party usually win the most seats as well? Let's say Tories won as ruling party and Labour won the seats, surely they'd just block everything?I favour the MMP variety of proportional representation (see here), which is used for the electing people to the devolved parliaments in Scotland and Wales. It maintains the idea of having a constituency MP (which is very important, IMO), but also allows for a more proportional allocation of seats overall.
But yeah… I can’t see it changing. The problem is what it’s always been: only a party with a workable majority can initiate the process towards electoral reform, and no party that has just won a majority via FPTP has much incentive to dismantle that system. Both Labour and the Tories are equally complicit in this.
I would want one if I was Scottish. They hate the Tories yet they are governed by them, they want to remain in the EU but they are forced to leave.He said he won't lead the party at another election, which is pretty much as good as for now.
What are people's thoughts on Scotland having a 2nd referendum?
Not much to say really, gutted with how it’s turned out but proud of Hartlepool voting Labour in again and rejecting the god awful Richard Tice and his Brexit Party racist twats.
What are people's thoughts on Scotland having a 2nd referendum?
I think it's more likely of a Catalonia situation tbh.SNP - "Give us a another referendum!"
Gov. - "No."
SNP -
Yet when I've heard people say they don't like him they never seem to be asked or give a reason why. Can't help but think the hatchet job the media have done has worked, I don't think we're a particularly intelligent electorate.BXP and CON cancelled each other out thankfully, Mike Hill was sweating bullets at one point, should never of been this close though, shows a wide scale rejection of Jeremy Corbyn who outside of the London bubble is universally hated.
I think it's more likely of a Catalonia situation tbh.
Can the Tories keep denying the people & government of Scotland what they want?
After all, it's a democracy - why should the English decide Scotland's future?
I think it's more likely of a Catalonia situation tbh.
Can the Tories keep denying the people & government of Scotland what they want?
After all, it's a democracy - why should the English decide Scotland's future?
I agree with denying until we've completely left the UK. The issue is, will Boris listen to any of the opposition or just purely plough on with what he thinks? With English remainers, we are slaves to Boris' ideas now - but he also has to protect our union as well, so Scotland will have to be listened to, although it seem's their demands will be free movement & customers union etc.Well they haven't done that much denying, they granted them a "once in a generation" referendum five years ago in which the Scottish people rejected independence. I can see the argument for a second referendum as there has been a material change in the Union (although did anyone make that argument when we joined the EU?) but I think it's unreasonable to demand it be held before we've fully left the EU with a trade deal in place, before Scots know what staying in the UK actually looks like. That's based on democratic principle, but in practicaly terms I suspect the whole thing will be a waste of time. The realities of leaving the United Kingdom are so much worse for Scotland than leaving the European Union. I think a Yes vote winning now is much less likely than it ever was in 2014.
Thank you Drew. That's a really nice message and not at all condescending. It is a pretty horrible moment and I do appreciate it.Probably no consolation whatsoever at this point, but it does seem that your efforts in Alyn and Deeside (LAB hold with majority of 213) made a positive difference.
Too many people (on all sides) think politics involves little more than casting a vote and being a snarky bellend on Twitter. Kudos to you and your fellow campaigners for putting the hours in and getting involved properly.
Sorry if this sounds condescending (not the intention). I just wanted to say something because I know how difficult it can be when you work full-time, have familial responsibilities, etc. And I know how shit it is when the overall result doesn't go your way.
FWIW, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on what's next, especially with regard to the Labour leadership.
^ Her backstory might be the best thing she has going for her. Overcame a very inauspicious start (raised on a council estate by a single mother, left school with no qualifications, up the duff at 16) in a genuinely impressive way. I think any classist attack on her background, identity, accent, etc. would backfire horribly.
The SNP didn’t get a majority in Scotland and then there’s assuming all of them would vote to leave.I think it's more likely of a Catalonia situation tbh.
Can the Tories keep denying the people & government of Scotland what they want?
After all, it's a democracy - why should the English decide Scotland's future?
If they didn’t get a majority in Scotland then neither did the Tories get a majority for the UK.The SNP didn’t get a majority in Scotland and then there’s assuming all of them would vote to leave.
I’m saying that there’s no evidence to suggest that a majority of Scots want to leave the UK, at least based on the general election results this week.If they didn’t get a majority in Scotland then neither did the Tories get a majority for the UK.
Not really sure I understand your logic?
If that’s the case, then there is more evidence of UK citizens wanting to stay in the EU than leave it.I’m saying that there’s no evidence to suggest that a majority of Scots want to leave the UK, at least based on the general election results this week.
But we had a referendum that said otherwise, one we were promised would be a once in a lifetime question and would be fully respected by parliament. There’s already been one Scottish referendum that said they want to stay. There’s no evidence that sentiment has changed at all.If that’s the case, then there is more evidence of UK citizens wanting to stay in the EU than leave it.
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