Is this the way to (Amarillo) relegation?

[BetterCallSaul]

On a sidenote, MK Dons fans who were whacking one off over signing those Real Madrid youngsters in the summer, how are they getting on?

Doing better than Bristol City atm

 

[Aaron-Bcfc]

Doing better than Bristol City atm

Good for you mate, should be absolutely buzzing with that.

 

[markwwfc1992]

Bristol City wont go down, there are certainly 3 teams worse than them (Rotherham, Bolton, Charlton).

 

[Bobbin']

Bristol City wont go down, there are certainly 3 teams worse than them (Rotherham, Bolton, Charlton).

I don't know mate, if you go 1-0 up against us and still can't win, you have real problems.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Good for you mate, should be absolutely buzzing with that.

I am considering you were throwing around £9 million bids in the summer and we couldnt even fork out £1 million for grigg.

Financially you ruin us, but for some reason you've held yourselves back in the summer.

I am happy being above you, I think if we finish above you it means we will stay up.

 

[Third Team Lucky]

On a sidenote, MK Dons fans who were whacking one off over signing those Real Madrid youngsters in the summer, how are they getting on?

Aguza has looked OK the few times he's been given game time but realistically he's behind Potter, Poyet and Carruthers for a place in central midfield.
Benavente is far too lightweight for the English leagues and although he's got pace, we already have Murphy and Powell who can go at a fair lick.
Both need game time and it wouldn't surprise me to see them out on loan at a localish side in January - Northampton, Luton, Wycombe or St Evenage would be candidates.

 

[Aaron-Bcfc]

Bristol City wont go down, there are certainly 3 teams worse than them (Rotherham, Bolton, Charlton).

How are Rotherham worse than us when they completely dismantled us 3-0?

 

[JJH]

How are Rotherham worse than us when they completely dismantled us 3-0?

We beat Boro 0-1, so by that logic...

 

[Aaron-Bcfc]

We beat Boro 0-1, so by that logic...

That's not really the logic I'm using though is it. Scraping a win at Boro and relying on a few point blank misses from them to win the game is not the same as getting completely and utterly tore apart at Rotherham.

 

[Ciderup]

If, as it appears from a few posts on this thread, City are the yardstick, there are more teams in trouble than I thought.
On current form, we are heading back down and with Reading, PNE, 'Boro and Leeds on the horizon as well as Premier league West Brom, we could be a fair way behind in a months' time but we will give it a go and some new faces should perk us up.
We are crap at the mo but we haven't given up just yet.

 

[TomPNE94]

Our next two games are Rotherham at home and Bristol City away, 4 points from those and I'll be happy.

 

[Third Team Lucky]

Our next two games are Rotherham at home and Bristol City away, 4 points from those and I'll be happy.

You get 4 points from those two and I'll also be very happy

 

[MagpieBee]

If it wasn't for him I'd hate to think where we'd be now.

Anyway - we signed Kodjia for £2m, he's level on goals with Afobe, Rhodes and Hernandez, the first 2 had £12m and £14m turned down for them in the summer, and the latter signed for £10m the summer before last.

Not sure where that leaves Kodjia, but considering he's playing in significantly worse sides than those 3, I wouldn't expect to see him go for owt less than £10m.

How much would you rate Judge at then? 10 goals from midfield, and he has the most assists in the league. He's single handedly won games for us on many occasions this season. In with a shout of PotY I'd suggest on current form. Most important thing for us in January is keeping him and getting him a new contract.

By your logic how much do you reckon we'd get for him?

Oh, and he's British, and only cost us about £400k.

 

[JJH]

How much would you rate Judge at then? 10 goals from midfield, and he has the most assists in the league. He's single handedly won games for us on many occasions this season. In with a shout of PotY I'd suggest on current form. Most important thing for us in January is keeping him and getting him a new contract.

By your logic how much do you reckon we'd get for him?

Oh, and he's British, and only cost us about £400k.

It's not what I rate him at, it's what I would accept for him.

But in terms of Judge, I don't know, haven't seen him enough his season to comment, but going by facts - £12m or so?

 

[Rammy]

Bloody hell JJH

£5m would seem about right for me. But the market has got ridiculous, so no doubt Brentford will try and hold out for a fair bit more.

 

[JJH]

Bloody hell JJH

£5m would seem about right for me. But the market has got ridiculous, so no doubt Brentford will try and hold out for a fair bit more.

If Judge was a Derby County player you'd accept £5m for him, when clubs like Boro have been offering £14m for Jordan Rhodes?

Not buying that, I don't think Judge is worth £12m, but if he played for City I'd be disappointed if we didn't hold out for that. The market has gone mad.

 

[WhiteRussian]

Aguza has looked OK the few times he's been given game time but realistically he's behind Potter, Poyet and Carruthers for a place in central midfield.
Benavente is far too lightweight for the English leagues and although he's got pace, we already have Murphy and Powell who can go at a fair lick.
Both need game time and it wouldn't surprise me to see them out on loan at a localish side in January - Northampton, Luton, Wycombe or St Evenage would be candidates.

In other words pretty much a waste of resources (wages) we haven't got to spare. I think it turned out they were a panic acquisition to show our supporters we were actually active in the transfer market (and, yes, I did get rather excited about the signings). A club our size should be signing players that improve the squad, not ones to send out on loan, that's for academy players.

January will be huge for us, and it will be loan players that will make or break this season.

 

[Rammy]

If Judge was a Derby County player you'd accept £5m for him, when clubs like Boro have been offering £14m for Jordan Rhodes?

Not buying that, I don't think Judge is worth £12m, but if he played for City I'd be disappointed if we didn't hold out for that. The market has gone mad.

Half a season in his career. Half a season!

I'd happily take 5m for most of Derby's players, if automatic promotion and £130m wasn't looking possible.

Jordan Rhodes has consistently done his job to a high standard, therefore he's worth more. Not that I think he's worth that much, because he's not.

 

[JJH]

Half a season in his career. Half a season!

I'd happily take 5m for most of Derby's players, if automatic promotion and £130m wasn't looking possible.

Jordan Rhodes has consistently done his job to a high standard, therefore he's worth more. Not that I think he's worth that much, because he's not.

Andre Gray had only had 1 season in the football league and went for over £5m - why would Brentford let Judge for less than that?

 

[Rammy]

Andre Gray had only had 1 season in the football league and went for over £5m - why would Brentford let Judge for less than that?

And that was ridiculous too. Judge is three years older, with half a season at this standard. There is absolutely no way he is worth £12m ffs.

 

[JJH]

And that was ridiculous too. Judge is three years older, with half a season at this standard. There is absolutely no way he is worth £12m ffs.

Again - didn't say he's worth £12m, but I wouldn't expect us to accept anything less if he was a City player as I've said.

 

[Rammy]

Then you're a fool. The market was stupid in the summer, but at this level and with the lack of income for clubs, there is absolutely no chance those kind of figures are going to become the norm.

 

[JJH]

Then you're a fool. The market was stupid in the summer, but at this level and with the lack of income for clubs, there is absolutely no chance those kind of figures are going to become the norm.

MagpieBee put on here the other day that he'd heard £10m had been accepted for Judge from Boro, so quite clearly for certain clubs it is going to become the norm.

I'm not expecting all the clubs at this level to have that sort of money to spunk, but Judge isn't going to go to a lesser club is he - so it's going to be the bigger clubs that have the sort of money that will be sniffing around him.

The summer market was ridiculous, but only for a few clubs. What - you, and Boro, us to an extent with the stupid kinds of money we attempted to chuck about. Can't think of any other examples, I know Wednesday spent a fair bit, but they spread it across a lot of players, as did Brighton. The majority of teams in the division didn't venture into any of this nonsense, but the ones with money clearly did and will continue to do so.

 

[Rammy]

Or it was a rumour from a very unreliable source, as he said. Boro are known to be in for a striker, they don't need Judge, and I don't believe for a second they've put in a £10m bid for him.

You forgot to re-mention penniless Burnley spending £9m on Gray.

 

[JJH]

Well I don't for a second believe that Brentford would accept anything less for him.

 

[MagpieBee]

Half a season in his career. Half a season!

I'd happily take 5m for most of Derby's players, if automatic promotion and £130m wasn't looking possible.

Jordan Rhodes has consistently done his job to a high standard, therefore he's worth more. Not that I think he's worth that much, because he's not.

To be fair, he was brilliant for us in League 1 when we got promoted, got 8 goals in 20 games or something like that after joining in Jan. Last year we played him deeper to allow Pritchard to play further up the pitch, which meant that he didn't score many. Despite this, he was close to being the top assister in the League last year, only denied it by being injured for 3 months of it.

Since we've been promoted he's got more assists than any other Championship player I believe.

He's been doing it for 2 years, 1.5 of those at Championship level, and been one of the best midfielders in the league during that time.

I do agree, the market is crazy, so I'd value him at around £6-8m. But he's definitely worth more than most Championship players, I'd include Kodija in that (JJH's comment about him being worth £10m after 9 goals was what led me to weigh in that Judge has 10 goals, the most assists, and most would rate him as much cheaper than £10m).

Gray went for £9m because of the raw talents he has. He's got natural pace and finishing ability, if you can add a bit more he could easily play in the PL. He's done pretty well this season too.

 

[Football Purist]

Or it was a rumour from a very unreliable source, as he said. Boro are known to be in for a striker, they don't need Judge, and I don't believe for a second they've put in a £10m bid for him.

You forgot to re-mention penniless Burnley spending £9m on Gray.

Burnley weren't penniless.They'd just come out the Prem where they'd hardly spent owt.

 

[Rammy]

Burnley weren't penniless.They'd just come out the Prem where they'd hardly spent owt.

I know. I'm going off Sean Dyche's comments before they made that move.

 

[JJH]

Whoooooosh

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Relegate us now