Man City CEO calls for B teams to be allowed into the EFL

[Laker]

The other thing about these thick tossers who moan about taxation that makes me laugh is they reckon their beloved entrepreneurs would be out there competing in the global marketplace with a workforce that's had no education in a country with no roads or infrastructure because all you need to do is pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Yep I’m intrigued by the concept of “tax = theft”. Remove tax and you literally remove police, schools, fire service etc.

I’m generally a little more right of centre than left though I haven’t voted Tory at an election since I became a voter 18 years ago. But I actually think the higher rate of tax should kick in at a lower income level and the additional rate should too (and should be 50% rather than 45%), plus I’d be in favour of things like whacking stamp duty up to something daft like 50% on second homes while abolishing it on your only home.

I’d consider myself conservative but not Tory - ie the Tory party in the UK doesn’t really do conservatism any favours. You can be conservative without being a nob about it basically.

The NHS is a wonderful organisation, I have personal experience of this and close members of my family would have died without it. Plus I’ve been treated by the NHS too and the treatment I received wasn’t possible on private (I have private health through work and they advised me to go through the NHS). Anyone calling for the abolishment of the NHS doesn’t know what they’re talking about frankly. In simple terms, they’re a fucking idiot.

 

[Back in the DHSS]

Yep I’m intrigued by the concept of “tax = theft”. Remove tax and you literally remove police, schools, fire service etc.

I’m generally a little more right of centre than left though I haven’t voted Tory at an election since I became a voter 18 years ago. But I actually think the higher rate of tax should kick in at a lower income level and the additional rate should too (and should be 50% rather than 45%), plus I’d be in favour of things like whacking stamp duty up to something daft like 50% on second homes while abolishing it on your only home.

I’d consider myself conservative but not Tory - ie the Tory party in the UK doesn’t really do conservatism any favours. You can be conservative without being a nob about it basically.

The NHS is a wonderful organisation, I have personal experience of this and close members of my family would have died without it. Plus I’ve been treated by the NHS too and the treatment I received wasn’t possible on private (I have private health through work and they advised me to go through the NHS). Anyone calling for the abolishment of the NHS doesn’t know what they’re talking about frankly. In simple terms, they’re a fucking idiot.

Well said.

 

[Trapdoor]

which one theres two???

Saltier than Lake Retba.

 

[BlackHaddock]

Don't forget how Man City bought their female team a place in the top flight and got Doncaster Belles relegated. Money makes things happen!

 

[Robshep]

Yep I’m intrigued by the concept of “tax = theft”. Remove tax and you literally remove police, schools, fire service etc.

I’m generally a little more right of centre than left though I haven’t voted Tory at an election since I became a voter 18 years ago. But I actually think the higher rate of tax should kick in at a lower income level and the additional rate should too (and should be 50% rather than 45%), plus I’d be in favour of things like whacking stamp duty up to something daft like 50% on second homes while abolishing it on your only home.

I’d consider myself conservative but not Tory - ie the Tory party in the UK doesn’t really do conservatism any favours. You can be conservative without being a nob about it basically.

The NHS is a wonderful organisation, I have personal experience of this and close members of my family would have died without it. Plus I’ve been treated by the NHS too and the treatment I received wasn’t possible on private (I have private health through work and they advised me to go through the NHS). Anyone calling for the abolishment of the NHS doesn’t know what they’re talking about frankly. In simple terms, they’re a fucking idiot.

The Queen has honoured a lot of NHS workers so presumably Devon Lad considers her to be a communist.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

All a capping will do is destroy not only the EFL but English football. It would collapse the entire system as happens in any industry with Govt pr outside interference and regs. We are a fan owned club, we owe no debt, we can afford to pay our players the wages we do. We can afford to pay our star players well above average salary. Why interfere? Because poorly run clubs can't? Let them die on the hill that they deserve to. Punishing properly and well managed clubs for poor business sense is madness.

well you cannot really afford to. Take away the annual moneygiven by the PL and slice of TV money clubs-get here you’d not break even.

below championship became too reliant on either rich owners or tv/prem cash to break even

although at least you do try as a club others are in shocking states.

still I think b teams will be the least of problems for prem, way it’s going I can see football being told to outright stop again, especially euro football with travel involved..... plus sky’s pub business is going to collapse.......then we shall see how effective the top flight model is

 

[Casey]

I actually think that sky's premier league pub model is going to survive really well. Matches on lunchtime, 3pm and evening kick offs plus a highlights show from 8.30 until 9.50.

What happens to the rest of football is disastrous.

Casey

 

[masi51]

I actually think that sky's premier league pub model is going to survive really well. Matches on lunchtime, 3pm and evening kick offs plus a highlights show from 8.30 until 9.50.

What happens to the rest of football is disastrous.

Casey

50% of all pubs will be shut next weekend and the rest are about two weeks behind the north

 

[Casey]

...but they'll be shut for two weeks and then reopened.

The TV watching football fan will be back wanting more games and we will not have another full lock down as the country can't afford it.

Casey

 

[masi51]

All the talk is they may be shut until March...Hence the chancellor said they will furlough Pub wages for six months in areas effected........Only the landlord/Manager gets a wage in the pubs up here, a lot cash in hand wont cost the a lot to keep the pubs closed.
Very few will re open if they are closed until then

 

[Casey]

I bow to your superior knowledge regarding the local economy up there masi51 but I honestly do not see the pubs and clubs being shut that long while concert halls (The Royal Albert Hall etc al) and such are allowed to remain open with paying guests.

Also, an upsurge of house parties ( with very little social distancing) would soon cause a rethink. Look whats happening with the pubs shutting at 10pm.

Anyway, off to sign in to ifollow.

Casey

 

[masi51]

I bow to your superior knowledge regarding the local economy up there masi51 but I honestly do not see the pubs and clubs being shut that long while concert halls (The Royal Albert Hall etc al) and such are allowed to remain open with paying guests.

Also, an upsurge of house parties ( with very little social distancing) would soon cause a rethink. Look whats happening with the pubs shutting at 10pm.

Anyway, off to sign in to ifollow.

Casey

Best of luck today

 

[shoddycollins]

I know pubs pay a lot of money for their licences to show live football, but how much of that will be offset by people who are unable to watch the game in a pub so buy the match on PPV instead?

 

[PuB]

I know pubs pay a lot of money for their licences to show live football, but how much of that will be offset by people who are unable to watch the game in a pub so buy the match on PPV instead?

I’m guessing pubs might have already paid for the season, so PPV won’t really make any difference

 

[shoddycollins]

I’m guessing pubs might have already paid for the season, so PPV won’t really make any difference

With all the hard times pubs are facing, sky will be under a lot of pressure to reimburse them if they can't open.

 

[PuB]

With all the hard times pubs are facing, sky will be under a lot of pressure to reimburse them if they can't open.

Depends on what the pubs have signed up to I guess, I very much doubt it’s on a game by game basis.

 

[shoddycollins]

Depends on what the pubs have signed up to I guess, I very much doubt it’s on a game by game basis.

Yeah but Sky were absolutely insistent that they should get reimbursed had the pandemic led to last season's Premier League getting cancelled.

 

[PuB]

I think you’re being silly comparing the two.

 

[Martin Out]

Manchester United already have a B team in this division, they're sitting fifth on the table.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Quite staggering how many City fans are in favour of this on their forum.

Rewind the clocks to 1999 and i wonder how many of them would have enjoyed the indignity of hosting a league match against Manchester United B.

Probably because they enjoyed their time in the third tier and would secretly love to go back to the likes of Gillingham and Mansfied.

 

[Super_horns]

Now 2 of the other big boys want to cut the numbers in the Premier league but give more money to the EFL.

World exclusive: Man Utd and Liverpool driving 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up in a generation

18-team Premier League, increased EFL funding and axing of League Cup among raft of proposals in 'Revitalisation' document seen by Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Chris FGR]

Now 2 of the other big boys want to cut the numbers in the Premier league but give more money to the EFL.

World exclusive: Man Utd and Liverpool driving 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up in a generation

18-team Premier League, increased EFL funding and axing of League Cup among raft of proposals in 'Revitalisation' document seen by Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk

So what will that actually mean in the long term. Doesn't sound great to give certain clubs special status.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Now 2 of the other big boys want to cut the numbers in the Premier league but give more money to the EFL.

World exclusive: Man Utd and Liverpool driving 'Project Big Picture' - football’s biggest shake-up in a generation

18-team Premier League, increased EFL funding and axing of League Cup among raft of proposals in 'Revitalisation' document seen by Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk

Can see why they'd want it but wonder how that effect the logistics of the EFL.

 

[masi51]

Can see why they'd want it but wonder how that effect the logistics of the EFL.

18 Teams will tell 2 to fuck off.........Turkeys dont vote for christmas !!

 

[Trapdoor]

18 Teams will tell 2 to fuck off.........Turkeys dont vote for christmas !!

And yet the British turkeys still voted to leave the EU. Since then I have absolutely no faith in people to make sensible choices.

 

[dedwardp]

So what will that actually mean in the long term. Doesn't sound great to give certain clubs special status.

I had just seen this article on Twitter, and the thread that had shared it was this:

Worse even than expected. To be clear, this is the effective privatisation of the Premier League, with the top flight of English football passing into the hands of the Big 6. This is an abomination.

Disaster capitalism on steroids doesn't even begin to cover it. In return for passing some of their ill-gotten gains back to the rest of football, they convert their de facto running of the game into permanent control of it.

With these changes, anything they wanted would follow. Set up a Euro League but want to keep teams in the PL? Approved. B Teams in the league? Approved.

I previously described allowing B Teams in the EFL Trophy as like a rabbit offering to bite off its own leg if the fox would only agree not to kill it.

These proposals are akin to a loan shark agreeing to pay your mortgage in return for a lifetime of domestic servitude.

Rick Parry is not acting in the best interests of the pyramid and should be fired.

I can't think of any sports where a small group of clubs have this much power. Think of the leagues where a small number of clubs exercise disproportionate levels of influence - Barca/Real, Celtic/Rangers, Juve. Are these healthy leagues? What if that control was formalised?

It is not hyperbolic to say that this would be the end of English football as we know it.

PS: without even abusing these powers, the extra value of being a club that has special status means that nine club owners would immediately see an increase in the value of their asset that dwarfed the size of the bailout. They will own the Premier League and make a profit on it.

 

[Kenneth E End]

The devil is always in the detail for these things... worth giving it some credence because there is undoubtedly some interesting proposals there.

But, like with everything involved in football, the votes are held in the hands of the clubs ("shareholders") themselves and they will not be turkeys voting for Christmas.

My immediate concern is that if you give a mouse a cookie, they will want a glass of milk..

 

[masi51]

Just had a brief read of this and on first look is a offer no lge 1 or Lge 2 clubs will refuse. No mention how the 25% will be split will each club outside the premier be given a equal share?
Clubs in the championship that get promoted will only be able to offer 12 month contracts or relegation clauses because the parachute payments will be gone.
This will make it much harder for teams coming up and surviving in the premier. Leaving the same dozen clubs to get richer and the gap will increase each year.

 

[Indian Dan]

How many clubs of our ilk actually want to make the PL? We had 1 season and it fucked us up - same for quite a few others as well.

Be honest, all I want is to be able to support my club, get the occasional promotion, accept the probable eventual relegation, have a cup run now and again and watch some vaguely attractive football.

The lure of making it to the PL is not on my list of wants. Flirting with the Championship would do me. A successful season in L2 is great fun - beats the pants off being an also ran in L1.

 

[#Beebot]

Parry's comments in that article are an utter disgrace. What a spineless coward.