Shearer or Rooney

[Hurrikeen]

If we’re talking about a striker, it isn’t even a contest. Shearer

Rooney is a better passer of the ball, more creative, which is why he’s more of a deep lying forward.

They’re different kind of players tbh.

If I was to pick one for an all time Premier League XI, Shearer every single day of the week.

I’m still amazed last Xmas when the Soccer Saturday panel all picked a combined one that Shearer wasn’t even one of the 2 strikers in their 442. Quite staggering.

 

[merseyboyred]

Players are judged on their medals

An Everton fan saying this?

 

[johnnytodd]

I note you don't offer an alternative method of comparing their "Champions League goalscoring record" in order to answer the question. Feel free to enlighten us. Just don't resort to maths without asking a friend to check it first.

I've proven your logic is flawed, move on

 

[johnnytodd]

If we’re talking about a striker, it isn’t even a contest. Shearer

Rooney is a better passer of the ball, more creative, which is why he’s more of a deep lying forward.

They’re different kind of players tbh.

If I was to pick one for an all time Premier League XI, Shearer every single day of the week.

I’m still amazed last Xmas when the Soccer Saturday panel all picked a combined one that Shearer wasn’t even one of the 2 strikers in their 442. Quite staggering.

Henry, VNR,Suarez Bergkamp just to name 4 off the top of my head who are better than Shearer

 

[Nilsson]

When talking about Euro 96 it's important to remember that it was on home soil. Rooney has never had the advantage of playing a major tournament in England. Also, the only squad Rooney has played in that was arguably as good as the 96 one was at Euro 2004 where Rooney was impressive, scored 4 goals and many believe that his injury in the 1st half of the QF's was the biggest factor in us going out.

 

[Pagnell]

I've proven your logic is flawed

You did? Well, if pretending that means you can avoid providing an answer then no worries!

Also, the only squad Rooney has played in that was arguably as good as the 96 one was at Euro 2004

Does that mean we can apply the same logic between Manchester United and Newcastle in terms of Rooney and Shearer's domestic record?

 

[Nilsson]

Does that mean we can apply the same logic between Manchester United and Newcastle in terms of their domestic record?

That's exactly what we have been doing.

 

[mnb089mnb]

When talking about Euro 96 it's important to remember that it was on home soil. Rooney has never had the advantage of playing a major tournament in England. Also, the only squad Rooney has played in that was arguably as good as the 96 one was at Euro 2004 where Rooney was impressive, scored 4 goals and many believe that his injury in the 1st half of the QF's was the biggest factor in us going out.

Yeah but how many Le Tournois has Wayne Rooney won?

 

[Pagnell]

Not really. It's been mostly about Rooney not being an out and out striker.

 

[merseyboyred]

When talking about Euro 96 it's important to remember that it was on home soil. Rooney has never had the advantage of playing a major tournament in England. Also, the only squad Rooney has played in that was arguably as good as the 96 one was at Euro 2004 where Rooney was impressive, scored 4 goals and many believe that his injury in the 1st half of the QF's was the biggest factor in us going out.

I'd have said the squads in 2004 & 2006 were (on paper) better than 1996.

 

[Nilsson]

I'd have said the squads in 2004 & 2006 were (on paper) better than 1996.

Not for me, if Scholes was involved in 2006 I'd agree. The team should've been built around him, then England might've had the Rooney that United had.

 

[Hurrikeen]

Henry, VNR,Suarez Bergkamp just to name 4 off the top of my head who are better than Shearer

As an out and out striker, I'd have Shearer above all of them.

I genuinely believe Shearer is still under-estimated, especially so when people bring up the more recent world class "forwards" we've seen in the PL.

His goals to games ratio at Blackburn was almost Ronaldo/Messi like - 112 goals in 138 games, and 148 in 303 for a Newcastle side that only got further away from the top end of the PL as time went on.

If any of the top sides had Shearer up top these days, he'd bag 30 goals easy.

Bergkamp was a #10, not a striker, IMO.

Shearer & Henry for me.

 

[johnnytodd]

As an out and out striker, I'd have Shearer above all of them.

I genuinely believe Shearer is still under-estimated, especially so when people bring up the more recent world class "forwards" we've seen in the PL.

His goals to games ratio at Blackburn was almost Ronaldo/Messi like - 112 goals in 138 games, and 148 in 303 for a Newcastle side that only got further away from the top end of the PL as time went on.

If any of the top sides had Shearer up top these days, he'd bag 30 goals easy.

Bergkamp was a #10, not a striker, IMO.

Shearer & Henry for me.

lol

 

[johnnytodd]

As an out and out striker, I'd have Shearer above all of them.

I genuinely believe Shearer is still under-estimated, especially so when people bring up the more recent world class "forwards" we've seen in the PL.

His goals to games ratio at Blackburn was almost Ronaldo/Messi like - 112 goals in 138 games, and 148 in 303 for a Newcastle side that only got further away from the top end of the PL as time went on.

If any of the top sides had Shearer up top these days, he'd bag 30 goals easy.

Bergkamp was a #10, not a striker, IMO.

Shearer & Henry for me.

lol

 

[Hurrikeen]

lol

Thanks for the insightful, well thought-out post.

 

[Pagnell]

Shearer and Fowler in the mid 90s were truly awe inspiring finishers, with both of them scoring over 30 goals in all competitions three seasons on the bounce. Andy Cole for Newcastle deserves a nod too, with 41 goals in 46 games for Newcastle in 93-94 and 68 goals in 85 games overall, although he never carried that quality into his Manchester United career.

But for me, Henry is better than all of them. He scored over 30 goals in all competitions five seasons on the bounce. That is unreal. I believe both Ronaldo and Suarez could have gone on to have better goal statistics had they stayed in England, but as they moved on pretty much as soon as their world class credentials made themselves evident it's not really relevant. And it shouldn't be forgotten that Suarez is a bit of a c***, no matter how much I admired his quality.

 

[Christian Slater]

Andy Cole was brilliant for us.

 

[Pagnell]

Andy Cole was brilliant for us.

As an out and out striker was he really that good for you? Especially in comparison to his Newcastle days? For example, in eight seasons with Manchester United he never once hit 20 league goals (most of his seasons were under 13 goals). Compare that to RVN, who scored more than 20 league goals in four of his five seasons with you.

 

[johnnytodd]

Thanks for the insightful, well thought-out post.

double post i just thought it funny that you would take one trick pony before them lot.

 

[johnnytodd]

Shearer and Fowler in the mid 90s were truly awe inspiring finishers, with both of them scoring over 30 goals in all competitions three seasons on the bounce. Andy Cole for Newcastle deserves a nod too, with 41 goals in 46 games for Newcastle in 93-94 and 68 goals in 85 games overall, although he never carried that quality into his Manchester United career.

But for me, Henry is better than all of them. He scored over 30 goals in all competitions five seasons on the bounce. That is unreal. I believe both Ronaldo and Suarez could have gone on to have better goal statistics had they stayed in England, but as they moved on pretty much as soon as their world class credentials made themselves evident it's not really relevant. And it shouldn't be forgotten that Suarez is a bit of a c***, no matter how much I admired his quality.

Oh what a surprise Pagnell brings in Liverpool better than United post.

 

[Pagnell]

That makes zero sense. Either contribute or STFU you odious little runt.

 

[Christian Slater]

As an out and out striker was he really that good for you? Especially in comparison to his Newcastle days? For example, in eight seasons with Manchester United he never once hit 20 league goals (most of his seasons were under 13 goals). Compare that to RVN, who scored more than 20 league goals in four of his five seasons with you.

We didn't rely solely on Cole for goals during his time here, we did for RVN. Cole was a better team player.

 

[Hurrikeen]

Shearer and Fowler in the mid 90s were truly awe inspiring finishers, with both of them scoring over 30 goals in all competitions three seasons on the bounce. Andy Cole for Newcastle deserves a nod too, with 41 goals in 46 games for Newcastle in 93-94 and 68 goals in 85 games overall, although he never carried that quality into his Manchester United career.

But for me, Henry is better than all of them. He scored over 30 goals in all competitions five seasons on the bounce. That is unreal. I believe both Ronaldo and Suarez could have gone on to have better goal statistics had they stayed in England, but as they moved on pretty much as soon as their world class credentials made themselves evident it's not really relevant. And it shouldn't be forgotten that Suarez is a bit of a c***, no matter how much I admired his quality.

Henry is the only real argument for me.

Whilst you're correct he topped 30 goals in 5 consecutive season, that was helped by playing in a sensational side who played many European games too. Whilst Shearer has exposure on the European scene, it wasn't to the extent Henry did, nor did he have the team-mates Henry did (Vieira, Bergkamp, Pires et al). Yet Shearer managed to get 34/37/37 in consecutive seasons. If we looked purely at league statistics, Henry only hit 30 on 1 occasion, whereas Shearer did it 3 times - consecutively.

Tbh though, we could sit here and argue the merits of statistics all day, and manipulate them to suit our arguments, but from a personal point of view Shearer & Henry were/are the two greatest PL strikers ever.

 

[johnnytodd]

That makes zero sense. Either contribute or STFU you odious little runt.

you brought Fowler into it (he wouldn't make the top 6) and had a sly dig about Cole

obsessed beyond belief

 

[Hurrikeen]

double post i just thought it funny that you would take one trick pony before them lot.

Crikey – I’ve ventured into a Premier League thread on 1FF for the first time, and within two posts I can tell you’re the forum’s resident helmet.

 

[SALTIRE]

Why isn't Bilo here. He says we don't have serious debate on the forums now and yet this thread is full of it (and full of shit in toddles case).

 

[Pagnell]

If we looked purely at league statistics, Henry only hit 30 on 1 occasion, whereas Shearer did it 3 times - consecutively.

But two of those three seasons was when the league was 42 games in length, Henry never had that advantage.

I think Henry and Shearer were both fantastic strikers, but the former shades it for me.

 

[johnnytodd]

Wayne Rooney league goal record = 12 per season average
Andy Cole league goal record = 11 goals per season average
Alan Shearer league goal record = 7 goals per season average


some serious armchairs in here

 

[Christian Slater]

Shearer played three seasons in a PL with 22 teams, meaning he had an additional 12 games on others when taking season tallies into consideration.

 

[johnnytodd]

Crikey – I’ve ventured into a Premier League thread on 1FF for the first time, and within two posts I can tell you’re the forum’s resident helmet.

lol first sign of defeat are insults ask Pagnell the dithering wikipedia premium member