Big Sam - New England Manager

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Fair enough. Don't suppose you could elaborate on what that was?


That oft-stated stat about us having about 3,000 qualified coaches compared to Spain and Germany's 30-odd thousand must be something to do with that, and that's partly explained by the prohibitive costs of actually taking the courses. We just don't make it easy for people to take up.

It's also hard to imagine an Englishman with a modest playing career becoming a successful manager; unlike Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez, Villas-Boas or *googles* Sampaoli. Not sure why that is - maybe English clubs are particularly sceptical environments?

It may not sound as much now as football has hugely progressed since, but upon his arrival as head coach in 2004, he brought in consultants to work closely with the players, hired sports psychologists to work with the players and really emphasised and encouraged younger players - it was Klinsmann who moved Germany away from the likes of Kahn etc. Obviously this is common practise at the top level now (psychologists etc), but 12 years ago it was an innovative approach.

And I agree. It's quite difficult to compare Germany and England, but in 1998 the DFB pumped a lot of money into creating over 3500 local football centres around the country, with the idea that no children would be further than 25km away from one. This widespread approach meant that they had a much better idea of youngsters showing any signs of potential. With all the money the FA has, surely something similar to this could be achieved.

Regarding the last point, I don't really know. I guess these days as a new manager you get one or two opportunities at clubs and if you fail, you're pretty much cooked. Trigger-happy chairman don't help either.

 

[Hamez]

Look at Klopp, got relegated with Mainz, then he got the Dortmund (admittedly it wasn't as cut & dried as that), that'd never happen here. As soon as you're relegated/sacked, you're classed as a failure.

 

[JoshBCFC]

Mancini could be tempted apparently, that'd be a coup.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/07/roberto-mancini-england-manager-harry-redknapp

I'm still praying for Pards.

I'd imagine he'll hold out for the Argentina job.

[QUOTE="smat, post: 448342, member: 261"

It's also hard to imagine an Englishman with a modest playing career becoming a successful manager; unlike Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez, Villas-Boas or *googles* Sampaoli. Not sure why that is - maybe English clubs are particularly sceptical environments?[/QUOTE]
I personally reckon there are a couple of reasons:

1: Ex-players are one of the few the can easily afford the highest level coaching courses.
2: I wonder if some chairman don't trust managers with no playing experience, maybe because "they can't relate to the players". More and more chairman are coming into the game with less and less knowledge of football, so this could possibly explain it.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Guus Hiddink widely linked.

Experienced international manager, would probably command more respect from our big egos than Hodgson, and did well getting struggling Chelsea into decent shape, so basketcase England would surely be improved.

Thoughts?

 

[Storzy]

I don't think lack of respect was ever a problem for Hodgson though? In fact the team might have done better if they'd stopped listening to him and did their own thing. Similar to France and Domenech.

EDIT: Although that would have probably resulted in following Rooney's lead.... so nevermind.

 

[smat]

Allardyce to be interviewed.

Is this country for real?

 

[JimJams]

Can't wait to win the world cup.

 

[yellow]

Can we quit and reload the last 4 weeks?

 

[Chris FGR]

Allardyce is the best English option available. Good experience, tactically smart and not obsessed about possession stats, which generally mean fuck all.

If England play route one and grind out results, that's fine with me.

 

[Nilsson]

Allardyce to be interviewed.

Is this country for real?

What's wrong with Allardyce?

 

[Abertawe]

Surely even the FA can't mess this one up. Big Sam is the only man for the job.

 

[Pagnell]

If the FA insist we absolutely have to go with an English manager, Allardyce is currently the best option for me. Which says a whole lot about the options.

 

[West Terrace]

Allardyce is the best English option available. Good experience, tactically smart and not obsessed about possession stats, which generally mean fuck all.

If England play route one and grind out results, that's fine with me.

This.

 

[smat]

What's wrong with Allardyce?

I wrote a long-ish reply with bullet-points but think it can be succinctly worded as 'it's Sam Allardyce'.

Fuck it, go on then. Let this happen. I will laugh my fucking head off.

SAM ALLARDYCE'S SHIT AND CRAP ARMY

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Seeing what Wales, Iceland, Portugal etc. have I done I wouldn't be as devastated by Allardyce's appointment as I might have been a year ago.

 

[Abertawe]

I dare say Allardyce could've taken you all the way this tournament.

 

[Nilsson]

I wrote a long-ish reply with bullet-points but think it can be succinctly worded as 'it's Sam Allardyce'.

Fuck it, go on then. Let this happen. I will laugh my fucking head off.

SAM ALLARDYCE'S SHIT AND CRAP ARMY

If Euro 2016 has taught us anything it's that for a country with limited talent (like England) to have any sort of success at an international tournament they need to at least resemble something of a cohesive defensive unit. Allardyce will ensure that.

And whatever you think about him, he's also tactically astute, he'll have a plan and know his best team. He certainly wouldn't pick a squad with 0 out and out wingers in it and proceed to play a system that includes 2 wingers.

Playing style isn't as important to me as it may be to others (as long as we're getting results) but it's not like his teams have never been pleasing on the eye, his Bolton side included one of the most exciting players the PL has ever seen, he turned a shit Sunderland side into a very good counter attacking outfit last season and West Ham played some decent stuff under him. While West Ham fans were well within their rights to hound him out if they weren't happy, club football is completely different to international football, he's a good motivator and will pick players on form over reputation (I highly doubt Rooney will see much game time under him).

But reports claiming he'd be lined up for an interview seem to be false anyway http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36766990 and we'll probably end up with a 'big name' like Klinsmann or Hiddink.

 

[Abertawe]

Hiddink would be an utterly woeful appointment.

 

[thespus]

The threat of Allardyce isn't the one-off tournament—we've observed the possibilities of rigid structure in isolated sample sizes—it's player development and the identity of English football going forward. Will the FA focus on developing youth talents (and coaches) the same as Germany or Spain if Allardyce is in charge? The long term competition for major titles hasn't changed: Germany and Spain and France will still be (deserved favourites) in 2018.

The difference between an incoherent lack of a system (England and Belgium) and what Allardyce offers isn't binary. Equating Iceland with a park the bus and nick it mentality is inaccurate. Italy didn't play Allardyce football, they had a squad of players with a coherent tactical plan instilled. Same for Portugal.

 

[Pagnell]

Hiddink would be an utterly woeful appointment.

Well, that's me convinced.

 

[Abertawe]

Well, that's me convinced.

So it should be, considering I've schooled you in all things football for the past two years.

 

[Pagnell]

So it should be, considering I've schooled you in all things football for the past two years.

I don't recall once having a debate with you about football, other than to pull you up on your pretence about not being bothered when Rodgers sacked you lot off for us. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else? I've noticed you've become increasingly confused of late Abs.

 

[Abertawe]

I don't recall once having a debate with you about football, other than to pull you up on your pretence about not being bothered when Rodgers sacked you lot off for us. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else? I've noticed you've become increasingly confused of late Abs.

Pretending it didn't help won't serve you moving forwards. I could've saved you a lot of pain & heartache had you just listened to me in the first place.

 

[T.A]

Yeah I remember Swansea making the top 4 too.

 

[Nilsson]

The threat of Allardyce isn't the one-off tournament—we've observed the possibilities of rigid structure in isolated sample sizes—it's player development and the identity of English football going forward.

How will Allardyce being England manager threaten player development?

The long term competition for major titles hasn't changed: Germany and Spain and France will still be (deserved favourites) in 2018.

A lot of people didn't even see Spain as favourites in 2016. By their own admission their style of play isn't as effective as it was and they need to undertake changes.

The difference between an incoherent lack of a system (England and Belgium) and what Allardyce offers isn't binary. Equating Iceland with a park the bus and nick it mentality is inaccurate. Italy didn't play Allardyce football, they had a squad of players with a coherent tactical plan instilled. Same for Portugal.

What is "Allardyce football?"

 

[mistermagic]

England will be hard to beat under Allardyce which is the aim. Wouldn't be a surprise to me. I can't see many talented managers rushing to put their name in the hat so reckon it's a good fit.

 

[Super_horns]

Big Sam in talks with the FA...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36783415

 

[Pagnell]

So Allardyce it is then. Only talks at this point, but I very much doubt it will lead to anything other than him ending up with the job.

The football won't be much to watch, but as mentioned we'll be difficult to beat and it will be a vast improvement over Woy. English Liverpool fans gave a collective groan when that useless fucker picked up the role, and for good reason.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

I don't think there's more appropriate manager for England right now than Sam Allardyce, he sums up the whole situation.

 

[T.A]

I think it'll be a laugh with Sam tbh.