US Police state

[smat]

eesh, tough crowd...

Shouldn't it be in the Christian megathread tho?

 

[silkyman]

Surely we need to ascertain his entire religious background before pigeonholing him into specific breed of nutjob?

 

[smat]

Well, my angle was that it happened in a church.

 

[silkyman]

Do we assign threads based on the aggressor or the victim?

This could easily be a wider 'Americans have WAY too many guns' thread. As the reason the cops feel they can get away with shooting people so quickly is that there usually is a decent chance they could be armed.

 

[smat]

Maybe we should ask mnb089mnb, it's his thread.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Do we assign threads based on the aggressor or the victim?

Motive, presumably.

 

[thespus]

Do we assign threads based on the aggressor or the victim?

This could easily be a wider 'Americans have WAY too many guns' thread. As the reason the cops feel they can get away with shooting people so quickly is that there usually is a decent chance they could be armed.

Just imagine if all the victims had weapons. We'd have a dead twat....and probably more police victims; or the very least, a few arrests because Stand Your Ground is very selectively enforced.

 

[thespus]

Suspect, Dylan Roof, has been caught around 250 miles from Charleston. He had a weapon on his persona and was apprehended alive. White guy with real gun, less than a day removed from murdering nine people, apprehended alive. What was you reasoning behind the lack of racial motivation in the shootings of black teens with toy guns, Lew?

Reports surfacing from the surviving witness that after sitting in the prayer for an hour, Roof rose up brandishing his weapon and said, "You rape our women and you're taking over our country. You have to go."

Meanwhile, Fox News purported that instead of assuming it's a white-on-black hate crime, it could be an attack on Christian faith since everyone knows that's a real thing. Dylan Roof's Facebook profile picture featured a jacket with both South African and Rhodesian pro-apartheid flags.

 

[Benji]

Hoping to hear what video games and music he likes, so I can warn my loved ones.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

All this 'hate crime' stuff is a bit ridiculous, it's terrorism. He's obviously politically motivated and an absolute freak but right-wing terrorism is not a new thing it's growing all the time and these kind of people aim to galvanise others, similar to the Breivik.

 

[silkyman]

Just imagine if all the victims had weapons. We'd have a dead twat....and probably more police victims; or the very least, a few arrests because Stand Your Ground is very selectively enforced.

That's one of the arguments made by the pro gun brigade. If everyone was armed, he'd only have taken out one or two people before getting shot.

Which would be great, as long as whoever decided to be the hero was well trained and didn't hit anyone else in the panic, and didn't get shot themselves by someone who might be confused and not know who the real 'bad guy' was, or the police outside. Or something.

 

[silkyman]

 

[nousername]

If Obama had carte blanche to introduce any gun legislation he wished, what could be introduced? Would it realistically prevent these sort of incidents happening?

The horse has bolted with gun control. Even if the production and sale of guns were banned tomorrow, how many would remain in circulation: a few hundred million?

 

[Modernist]

If Obama had carte blanche to introduce any gun legislation he wished, what could be introduced? Would it realistically prevent these sort of incidents happening?

The horse has bolted with gun control. Even if the production and sale of guns were banned tomorrow, how many would remain in circulation: a few hundred million?

That doesn't stop them doing it though, maybe it would help maybe it wouldn't but doing nothing isn't working.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Suspect, Dylan Roof, has been caught around 250 miles from Charleston. He had a weapon on his persona and was apprehended alive. White guy with real gun, less than a day removed from murdering nine people, apprehended alive. What was you reasoning behind the lack of racial motivation in the shootings of black teens with toy guns, Lew?

To be fair Lee Boyd Malvo was apprehended in much the same way.

 

[silkyman]

Apparently this is his website.

http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt

Batshit insane

 

[nousername]

That doesn't stop them doing it though, maybe it would help maybe it wouldn't but doing nothing isn't working.

I'm not implying that Obama does nothing, I'm more interested to see what people propose as realistic solutions.

 

[Aber gas]

I'm not implying that Obama does nothing, I'm more interested to see what people propose as realistic solutions.

Perhaps they should try and introduce a blanket , federal policy on gun purchases . At the moment any crazy bastard can buy a gun in Texas but not in Vermont . It could get sorted quickly but I don't think there is a great appetite for gun control at the moment

 

[Tilbury]

If Obama had carte blanche to introduce any gun legislation he wished, what could be introduced? Would it realistically prevent these sort of incidents happening?

The horse has bolted with gun control. Even if the production and sale of guns were banned tomorrow, how many would remain in circulation: a few hundred million?

I was thinking this the other day as I skyped my American friend as she paraded her families gun collection as it was nothing. Her five her old brother walking round with a shotgun was particularly chilling. It's endemic, can't ever see it changing.

 

[thespus]

Ceasing sale of firearms and production of weapons in the USA would cause more immediate issues than maintaining the status quo. It is that engrained in the culture. Hundreds of millions of weapons in circulation; a good chunk won't freely be tossed in the burn pile. The expansive land mass makes enforcement very difficult and expensive, too.


I personally believe in the 2nd amendment to a degree (mostly for handguns or hunting rifles). Anyone who thinks it's as simple as banning guns is naive. Majority of gun violence is still done with illegally obtained or stolen weapons; tragedies like Sandy Hook and Charleston just draw more international attention. Regulating availability and price of ammunition, eliminating private sale and family loop holes, and improving the background check process are all better focuses than outlawing weapons in an already politically polarized country. Reducing poverty will overall have the greatest impact on reducing violence.

All of this being said, fuck the NRA.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Does the second amendment have anything to do with hunting or personal protection though? If anything, the wording should surely protect assault weapons more than anything else.

 

[thespus]

Does the second amendment have anything to do with hunting or personal protection though? If anything, the wording should surely protect assault weapons more than anything else.

It's open to a lot of interpretations, which is a source of the subject's polarization. I dislike the concept of NEEDING am AR15. You're not going to overthrow a military with it (we've moved beyond muskets). It's overkill for hunting traditional game such as deer or turkey or geese (you only need a .22 for the latter two). If it's for self defense, a hadgun is more logical. I am not a hunter and am unlikely to purchase a pistol for self-defense, but I don't think either are inherently wrong and I understand it's traditional role in some American cultures.

 

[Red]

The 2nd amendment reads "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I interpret that in its historical context. When have private citizens with guns constituted a militia? When it speaks of the right to keep and bear arms isn't that in the context of securing a free state for which they have police and an army?

 

[Stagat]

When it speaks of the right to keep and bear arms isn't that in the context of securing a free state for which they have police and an army?

It was written in the context of securing/maintaining a free state should the government (so police and army) turn on the public, I believe.

 

[Red]

It was written in the context of securing/maintaining a free state should the government (so police and army) turn on the public, I believe.

Just shows how outdated it is and how on such a stupid declaration they predicate their defence of using guns.

 

[silkyman]

 

[TomPNE94]

Christ.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/25/black-man-shot-by-police-in-baltimore-suburb-was-unarmed/

 

[Tilbury]

This is why body cameras should be mandatory. We can now talk about how well the situation was handled rather than a potentially unnecessary death.

 

[Womble98]

This is why body cameras should be mandatory. We can now talk about how well the situation was handled rather than a potentially unnecessary death.

They were fortunate that they were so quick on the draw.

 

[Tilbury]

Yeh the guy is especially a boss. When walking through the restaurant he moves the cutlery out of reach from the guy, seriously well trained.
And not that it really matters in relation to the cops subsequent actions but the gun he pulled was a bb gun so they would have been okay.